Talk:Fred Davis (snooker player)

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Review: October 29, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

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1991 World Masters

While the article says "Davis was invited to compete in the 1991 World Masters, where he lost to Steve Davis 0–6. This was Fred's last TV appearance in a competitive match", the article for that tournament does not include Fred Davis in its results section. I am not sure if this means the statement is in error, there is an error in the other article, or the results are missing an earlier round? Dunarc (talk) 20:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not an error, there was a 128 round that for whatever reason is not included on that page. Here's Dave Hendon stating it. I suspect the draw on that page is just copied from cuetracker as there is no source accompanying it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also found this, commenting that the match was the first one to be played, and that the tournament was the "richest-ever", with a £1 million prize fund. Tame by today's standard! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this - I had thought it looked too specific to be an error, and it makes sense for there to have been an earlier round. Dunarc (talk) 20:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is a bit surprising, as the general editing behaviours of the wikiproject is to include every professional match that ever happened. Thanks for the Q though. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:41, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fred Davis (snooker player)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Boca Jóvenes (talk · contribs) 04:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. Hope to make some progress over the next two or three days. BoJó | talk UTC 04:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks for taking a look at this. :) Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:28, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Did you have some comments for me Boca Jóvenes Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Still studying this one, Lee. I should be with you soon. It is looking good, though. BoJó | talk UTC 20:16, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Everything seems to be fine although there is a lot of detail and perhaps an over-reliance on Clive Everton as the main source. I was a little concerned on first reading by some of the prose in the lead and early years sections but I subsequently copyedited these myself because, once the article gets into Fred's pro career, the prose settles down and is much better. Verification is good and there no problems about original research, copyvio, neutrality or anything like that. Given Fred's very long career, the challenge had to be breadth of coverage but you've handled this well by keeping it chronological and everything is within scope. Only the one image but I agree it is fair use. I have tried to study the tables but there's a lot to take in, although there is good annotation. They are well placed, however, being below the narrative.

All in all, everything checks as a yes and this is a good article. I'm pleased about that as I remember Fred. He was always a jolly sort of a chap and a great sport. It's not surprising the audiences warmed to him. Well done. BoJó | talk UTC 22:16, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]