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Venona intercept allegations/gossip

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I have erased this section as I question its relevance and in fact the use of any such "suggestion" based on unpublished sources. (Allegations based on questionable Venona intercept interpretations seem rife in Wikipedia, BTW.)

'The history of Neumann's wartime service is shadowed by the contention that as yet unpublished materials identify him as the Soviet informant, "Ruff," whose exploits between April of 1943 and late 1944 can be tracked in the Venona intercepts.* The details of "Ruff's" information are not inconsistent with Neumann's likely knowledge, since they deal with political matters, especially among church authorities and within conservative circles, inside Germany and abroad, but the link is not firmly established. The charge is further called into question by the fact that Hede Massing, the friend of Neumann who is listed as the head of the group to which "Ruff" is referred, failed to denounce him after 1947 when she testified openly to her activities, although Neumann continued to enjoy the confidence of key figures in both the State and Defense Departments until the end of his life. In any case, no one has ever suggested that the writings in political theory on which Neumann's late reputation rests are in any way affected by this supposed year of improperly shared political information.' Doprendek (talk) 20:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Frankfurt School affiliation

The automatic association of Neumann with the "Frankfurt School" is suspect, as would be clear from an entry that dealt in some depth with his legal and political theory, which is not the case at present. He was employed at the Institute in New York 1937-1941, but his principal book Behemoth was not written at the Institute and challenged several key matters of faith. His guest lectures after the Institute's return dealt with topics not studied by the Institute in a manner that differed considerably from theirs. His relations were with the group were political and social.192.246.225.237 (talk) 18:01, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is much laudable "openness" in Wikipedia's system, but certain elements are impositions for which there appears to be no recourse. A specialist reader who has published extensively on Neumann objected some months ago to Neumann's incorporation in the "Frankfurt School," since his principal works were of a type and content that were not characteristic or even acceptable to the central figures of that "school." But there is no more visible procedure for opening a discussion about the superimposed Frankfurt School label than there is for challenging the mysterious judgments about the "importance" of the work or the quality of the entry. Is that necessary? If Neumann's studies on the rule of law are taught over sixty years after his death, what would make them of more than "low interest" in law? If "Behemoth," first published in 1942 is one of the very few books on Nazi Germany from that era that remains in print, what make him of greater interest to scholars in Political Science?

50.108.133.229 (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)dkettler[reply]

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