This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Franklin Raines article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group.

University of Oxford Low‑importance

	University of Oxford portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject University of Oxford, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the University of Oxford on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.University of OxfordWikipedia:WikiProject University of OxfordTemplate:WikiProject University of OxfordUniversity of Oxford articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

United States Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

footnotes

Some footnoted references appear to be missing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.152.238 (talk • contribs)

Obama

Does anyone have any evidence that Raines is an economic advisor to Obama? The only thing I found was a WaPo story that said that Raines had received calls from the Obama campaign. He is certainly not "chief economic advisor." If anyone has anything on this please reply. Otherwise I'll investigate further at the end of the day. If I can't find anything more substantial, I'll remove the references to Obama.206.190.137.34 (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's not. Fixed. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/100/story/32315.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.36.56 (talk) 20:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Yeah, I found no mention of Raines with Obama until a September 8, 2008 article in the American Spectator that claimed he was one of Obama's chief economic advisors. The article was written by someone who prefers anonymity, just the moniker The Prowler.206.190.137.34 (talk) 20:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I included a mention of the ad and denial as it is notable considering it involves him in the presidential campaign. I sourced the politico piece and think that should be sufficient unless we also need an article referring to the ad. A right wing blog releases lists two articles the McCain campaign is referring to as evidence of a link: (Anita Huslin, "On The Outside Now, Watching Fannie Falter," The Washington Post, 7/16/08) and The Washington Post: 'Two Members Of Mr. Obama's Political Circle, James A. Johnson And Franklin D. Raines, Are Former Chief Executives Of Fannie Mae.' (Editorial, 'Tough Decision Coming,' The Washington Post, 8/28/08). I imagine this will devolve into a he said/she said argument, so I've tried to include it in a neutral way. I just edited it again so it reflected the ad more accurately, but I think the sentence structure is now very poor.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.246.45 (talk • contribs)

What was fixed? The article still says Raines is an economic advisor to Obama.Nadalotta (talk) 00:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just deleted that part as it is unconfirmed and as I'd already referred to the debate over the nature of the relationship at the bottom of the article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.246.45 (talk • contribs)

The legitmate references to Raines are restored. 204.97.218.131 (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the note about Obama receiving lobbying money from Fannie Mae relevant to the article on Raines? It sticks out as a partisan snipe to me.75.164.228.65 (talk) 06:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected some inaccuracies in the sentence regarding Obama receiving money from Fannie Mae employees; however, I don't think it's relevant to the article on Raines.206.190.137.34 (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this portion of the article deserve 1/3 of the total length? The man was in his role at FNMA for a total of 10 years. Surely there are fascinating things during his tenure that can be covered. The section looks like it was added during the election so I understand why people were passionate about it. The section also ends pretty weakly: 'He said, she said'. A year later, who really cares? Should this be moved to an article entitled "Political Campaign Attempts to Connect Obama to Raines", or "Political Campaign Attempts to Connect Obama to People With Negative Public Perceptions"?

You hit the nail on the head with those suggested titles. That's all it was about. Raines claims to some WP reporter that the Obama camp telephoned for advice and all of a sudden he's Obama's chief economic advisor to the Republicans because he has a bad rep for mortgage crisis stuff. I think the matter deserves some mention but should be abbreviated. DanielM (talk) 21:39, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

deletion of WA post

Is there anyway to flag this post to prevent individuals from deleting the portion of the WA Post. A number of people keep deleting that section. It is correctly cited and should be presented —Preceding unsigned comment added by Herzogrw (talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

= ny times opinion 09 22 2008

"...Fannie C.E.O. from 1999 to 2004, had been budget director in the Clinton White House. He cooked the books at Fannie to increase his compensation (more than $50 million)." http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/john-steele-gordon-on-the-financial-mess-greed-stupidity-delusion-and-some-more-greed/ I do not know if it should be included in the article (or even if it is true). Johndoeemail (talk) 03:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven forbid we should criticize any Democrat "...even if it is true."

$700 billion bailout

Since the price of the bailout has now been fixed at $700 billion dollars the last few days I think this information needs to be incorporated into the article.

There is a C-Span clip of Franklin Raines promoting a one trillion dollar Fannie Mae fund for subprime loans - this should be mentioned and it is surprising that is absent from the piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FewmvkaTXHU&feature=player_embedded

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.212.137 (talk) 11:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

In the article on Raines, the nickname "Fred" seems to have been added to his name fairly recently. I have never heard Raines referred to as Fred, but rather as Franklin or Frank, so I think this should be changed. 129.25.28.73 (talk) 18:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Raines Not First African American to Lead a Fortune 500 Co.

While reading this, I thought of the late Reginald Lewis, former owner of Beatrice Foods TLC. I do not know if he was the first such A A, but he definitely preceded Raines' (dubious) achievement. This error is apparently attributed to Ebony magazine, to which I have been a subscriber for a number of years. But it seems they forgot about Lewis also, as well as other firsts, possibly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.149.190 (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on Franklin Raines. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 04:12, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on Franklin Raines. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 14:04, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Editorial dead link

When an editorial is a dead link there is no alternative source, so should the supported content then be removed?--LedgerTom (talk) 16:17, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Franklin Raines. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Franklin Raines. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:07, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]