Talk:Frank Gatski/GA1
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Reviewer: LauraHale (talk · contribs) 10:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (references):
b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
- The article is fully supported by inline sources. I don't have access to the book sources so I cannot verify them. AGF that these support the text and they were not plagiarised to write the article. The lead accurately summarised the article and does not introduce new material into the article with out citations. The sources I can check were not plagiarised and do support the text.
- a (references):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects):
b (focused): 
- Can a confirmation be made that there is not more available information on his military service? It seems like for a World War II veteran, there should be more information available. When he finished out his studies at Auburn University in Alabama? Did he play football then? It isn't clear from the "College and military career" section when his university football career ended. Can this be made more clear? Actually, the date of birth appears in the lead but not in the article with a citation. Can that be added to the "Early life" section?
- a (major aspects):
- I added some more info about his military service. It appears he was in Europe, but didn't see any heavy fighting. I found out he played part of the year at Auburn, and decided to go there because Marshall had shut down its football program for the war and hadn't yet resumed it. I'm having an issue with the question of his birthdate, believe it or not. The original birthdate came from his Pro Football Hall of Fame page. But the Pro Football Reference page on him, which is usually pretty reliable, says it's 1922, not 1919. And yet none of these match up with his age in the New York Times obit (he's listed as 84, while born in 1922 puts him at 83 and 1919 puts him at 86). I've changed it to the Pro Football Reference date of 1922 for now and cited it in the body of the article; this puts him in college at age 18, which seems about right, but I'm not sure what exactly to do in this situation. --Batard0 (talk) 11:02, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hate source contradictions like that. :( NYTimes seems the more reliable source so I would go with them. Thing to remember is time of year he was born. Sometime in 2000, I was 20 and sometime in 2000, I was also 21. Do you have any information about any service medals he may have won or what rank he was when he left? Or an idea where he was buried? (I think he would have been entitled to Arlington. Hence curiosity.) Not a particularly big deal either way and the time period is short, but rank and medals seems like an important thing to have if this information is available. If not, there isn't anything I can do about it and makes it easier to pass knowing relative comprehensiveness based on available sources is there.--LauraHale (talk) 11:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that NYT is probably the most reliable source here, but as you mention the problem then becomes what date he was born on. There doesn't seem to be any dispute among the other sources that it was in March, but it feels a bit WP:OR-y to change the year to 1921 (thus making him 84, in accordance with NYT) without actually having that date in the source itself. Nonetheless, I'll change it to 1921, because that's probably the best we can do in the circumstances. FYI, Pro Football Researchers also puts him as born in 1923. What a mess. I don't have any info about service medals he won. He says he didn't see any significant action, so I suspect he didn't win any medals. This to me is reinforced by this article, which details Cleveland Browns who served in the war and lists medals they won; Gatski isn't listed as having won any medals. As for his rank, I've looked in numerous sources but find none saying how high he rose in the military. They list him as in the "infantry" or the "Army infantry". Still, on his gravestone, which is pictured on this site, it says he was PFC, which stands for Private First Class, a junior ranking. I put in that rank on that basis. He is buried in West Virginia, as is shown on the previously linked page. Apologies for taking so long in responding -- I forgot to watchlist the review page. --Batard0 (talk) 13:18, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, and I just noticed his gravestone says he was born on March 18, 1921, which probably qualifies as a reliable source! --Batard0 (talk) 13:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
- I agree that NYT is probably the most reliable source here, but as you mention the problem then becomes what date he was born on. There doesn't seem to be any dispute among the other sources that it was in March, but it feels a bit WP:OR-y to change the year to 1921 (thus making him 84, in accordance with NYT) without actually having that date in the source itself. Nonetheless, I'll change it to 1921, because that's probably the best we can do in the circumstances. FYI, Pro Football Researchers also puts him as born in 1923. What a mess. I don't have any info about service medals he won. He says he didn't see any significant action, so I suspect he didn't win any medals. This to me is reinforced by this article, which details Cleveland Browns who served in the war and lists medals they won; Gatski isn't listed as having won any medals. As for his rank, I've looked in numerous sources but find none saying how high he rose in the military. They list him as in the "infantry" or the "Army infantry". Still, on his gravestone, which is pictured on this site, it says he was PFC, which stands for Private First Class, a junior ranking. I put in that rank on that basis. He is buried in West Virginia, as is shown on the previously linked page. Apologies for taking so long in responding -- I forgot to watchlist the review page. --Batard0 (talk) 13:18, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
- Hate source contradictions like that. :( NYTimes seems the more reliable source so I would go with them. Thing to remember is time of year he was born. Sometime in 2000, I was 20 and sometime in 2000, I was also 21. Do you have any information about any service medals he may have won or what rank he was when he left? Or an idea where he was buried? (I think he would have been entitled to Arlington. Hence curiosity.) Not a particularly big deal either way and the time period is short, but rank and medals seems like an important thing to have if this information is available. If not, there isn't anything I can do about it and makes it easier to pass knowing relative comprehensiveness based on available sources is there.--LauraHale (talk) 11:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Article is neutral and does not appear to have fanboyisms.
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- Article is stable: No rename proposals, AfDs or edit wars.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- Article has one image and it is public domain. Caption in infobox works. Looking around Commons and Flickr, this seems to be the best the article can do to illustrate things.
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Putting article on hold while points made in part three are addressed.
- Pass/Fail:
Going to pass the article as all concerns have been addressed in the article. --LauraHale (talk) 23:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)