Talk:Frank G. Zarb School of Business

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Rankings

How about some ranking related info regarding the b-school? I know it's a very solid school (as I received an MS from there) and this page should have some type of quantifiable data to reflect that. --24.189.35.249 (talk) 19:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I remember looking at the rankings a year or two ago, and it wasn't in the top 50 of any list, nor was it ranked int he top regional b-schools of any list. If you can find a bona fide ranking, then sure. MBisanz ^talk 19:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check out this link. [1], scroll down and Hofstra is listed under USA - NORTHEAST Ranking of Best MBA Programs Directory. --24.189.35.249 (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, since I'm a current MBA student there, and that makes me a bad person to judge a source, I've taken it to our fact-vetting board at WP:RSN to get an impartial view. I'll get back to you here in a day or so. MBisanz ^talk 23:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The response was that it would need to be a more well-known ranking system like US News, Businessweek, etc. MBisanz ^talk 20:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have an MS-Finance from Zarb ('03) and I am presently working on an MS-Quantitative Finance from Zarb. We know the school has strong alumni support, top-notch facilities, strong faculty and a solid, diverse student body. Here is a link to a book that I have that ranks 68 b-schools into 3 categories; Distinguished, outstanding and recommended programs. Hofstra is listed under outstanding programs. Check it out. [http://www.amazon.com/Best-Graduate-Business-Schools-Arco/dp/002862503X] If anybody looks at this book, Hofstra is listed in it. --24.189.35.249 (talk) 01:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then I've probably seen you in class :). I know there aren't that many Quant Fin majors. My suggestion since that book is a Reliable Source is to write up an addition, cite it by filling this in {{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |pages= }} and then I'll find someone who can insert it. MBisanz ^talk 02:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. here's the info. The Best Graduate Business Schools, 3rd Edition. Thomas Bachhuber, Ed.D. 1999, Arco Books, Amazon.com, 0-02-862503-X, 251-255.--24.189.35.249 (talk) 19:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC) Damian M.[reply]

Ed, this is the stuff I need integated either in the opening or the Degrees section, feel free to reword for POV: "The Zarb School of Business is ranked "outstanding" by the list of Best Graduate Business Schools. <ref>{{cite book |title=The Best Graduate Business Schools |last=Bachhuber |first=Thomas |authorlink= |coauthors= |year=1999 |publisher=Arco Books |location=Amazon.com |isbn=0-02-862503-X |pages=251-255 }}</ref> MBisanz ^talk 04:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MBisanz. I got your message asking me to look at this, since you feel that you would have a COI inserting it yourself. My first thought is that a number of these business school articles have the flavor of advertising. However the paragraph over at Harvard Business School#Rankings looks like a good attempt. It includes rankings from several places, and it manages to work in some sourced criticism of the school as well. I realize it would be a lot of work, but do you think you guys could come up with a paragraph for Hofstra that is as well-balanced as the one for HBS? Surely Hofstra is rated by the same services as those that scored Harvard. I haven't heard of this Arco guide, and merely saying Hofstra is 'Outstanding' doesn't tell us exactly where they fell (top 20? top 5?). EdJohnston (talk) 05:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ed, this is a tough one. I know Hofstra is somewhere in the top 500 based on it being AACSB accreditted but its not in Princeton Review's top 290 [2], its not in these top 50 [3], its not in this meta-table [4], not in Business week [5] [6], according to USNews (I have an account), their unranked [7], Forbes is also unranked [8]. So other than a string of "It is unranked by X, Y, Z, Q, P, and rated outstanding by A, I don't think there is any hope of coming close to Harvard's level. Since I asked you to eval the COI issue, I'll leave the editing (or not-editing) call to you. MBisanz ^talk 05:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds to me that you might be able to craft a paragraph that admitted they weren't ranked by the majors, but still have virtues. (Sourced virtues, of course). To include only Arco, without mentioning the other facts you just stated sounds a bit unbalanced. Why don't you go ahead and propose some language here, and I'll take one final look? EdJohnston (talk) 06:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"While the Zarb School of Business is not ranked by national publications such as Forbes ^[1] or US News^[2], it is distinguished as being the first school on Long Island to offer an EMBA program ^[3] and one of 169 business schools nationwide to receive the AACSB's Accounting and Business accreditations^[4]. Additionally, it has been noted in Arco Book's The Best Graduate Schools as being ranked Outstanding, on the continuum, Distinguished, Outstanding, Recommended^[5]." Lets try this. MBisanz ^talk 06:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me! I have added it to the text. Your paragraph includes a number of new references, and should add to the credibility of the article. I made it the second paragraph because there is a similarly-located 'Rankings' paragraph at Harvard Business School. EdJohnston (talk) 13:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ [Forbes rankings]
^ [US News rankings]
^ [LIB article]
^ [AACSB listing]
^ Bachhuber, Thomas (1999). The Best Graduate Business Schools. Amazon.com: Arco Books. pp. 251–255. ISBN 0-02-862503-X. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

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