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Did you know... that Jug Bennett, Merle Zuver, Lyle Sturgeon, Wuert Engelmann, Zud Schammel, Hal Hinte and Frank Butler all played for Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame head coach Curly Lambeau during the 1930s and 1940s?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:18, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Jug Bennett, Merle Zuver, Lyle Sturgeon, Wuert Engelmann, Zud Schammel, Hal Hinte and Frank Butler all played for Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame head coach Curly Lambeau during the 1930s and 1940s?

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Reviewed: (1) Gisele Thompson; (2) Unus testis, nullus testis; (3) List of songs recorded by Angeline Quinto; (4) Ade Surapriatna; (5) C. O. Brocato; (6) Bradley Winslow; (7) Get Him Back!

5x expanded by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jug Bennett; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I'll review these. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- BeanieFan11 QPQ is done. I'm never doing a 7-part nom ever again haha. Thanks for taking this on. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewing...
For Bennett:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Bennett meets all the criteria. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For Zuver:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Zuver meets all the criteria (albeit barely, as the length is only a couple of letters over the limit - expansion would be nice but is not required). BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For Sturgeon:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Sturgeon meets all the criteria. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For Englemann:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Englemann meets all the criteria (just passes the length requirement - though further expansion is not required, I see a few additional details you might want to add from the German Wikipedia of all places, including that he narrowly missed qualifying for the 1928 Olympics and was inducted into the South Dakota Hall of Fame). BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For Schammel:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Schammel meets all the criteria. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For Hinte:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hinte meets all the criteria. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For Butler:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Butler meets all the criteria (albeit barely, being seven characters over the limit). BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

After further review, this DYK nomination is good! Each article appears to meet all the criteria, and thus this nomination appears ready to go! Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks BeanieFan11, I expanded Engelmann with your new info/sources. Thanks! Zuver was the toughest one. Not much more to expand on. Appreciate the thorough review! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Frank Butler (American football)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) 22:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 20:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your congratulations at WT:CUP! Thought I might as well take this review (I am in need of points to keep ahead of the Bean!). Comments to follow. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three FAs is more than I have ever done, and you did it in a month!! Awesome job. Thanks for the review! It's short and sweet. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose good. Sources generally reliable and verify the content. The elephant in the room, which I think might be the reason this hasn't been reviewed, is the short bit of the "short and sweet"—at 1514 bytes, it would be somewhere around the 35th shortest GA.

I know that the GA criteria do say that the "broad coverage" criterion is much weaker than the "comprehensiveness" of FAs, but I do think it would be a good idea to be as comprehensive as possible with an article this short. Good thing is that I did see some stuff in the sources that could be added, for example:

[1] says he also attended Notre Dame
[3] makes numerous references to his size (and in fact gives exact numbers!) and also says that his government job was to do with harbour survey and research
[4] says that he offered to play only Sundays when he took up the harbour job, but the coach rejected it because he wanted players to train
Might also want to mention his career NFL statistics in the body?

There may have been more that I missed, but those details would be good to have. Everything else is satifactory. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks AirshipJungleman29. I have implemented all your changes! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:10, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

All good Gonzo_fan2007. If you have the time/inclination I have a couple of nominations up for review at WP:GAN; if not no worries. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh by the way, there was an image of Butler in the penultimate source—I don't know US copyright, but maybe that's old enough to use? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.