Talk:Frank Borman

Biography assessment rating comment

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Abebenjoe 04:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Space Medal of Honor?

I saw in two separate pages on Wikipedia that this person received the Congressional Space Medal of Honor, on the Congressional Space Medal of Honor page and on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_graduates_of_West_Point#Congressional_Space_Medal_of_Honor_recipients, but it was not mentioned on this page. I added it under "Awards", if this is incorrect, I apologize, and please remove it. Thatmarkguy 04:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

First flight as commander?

He is one of just four astronauts to fly a first mission as a Commander (the others being James McDivitt, Gerald Carr, and Joe Engle).?? Uh no,, Neil Armstrong was CDR Gemini 8 and CDR Apollo 11 so, make that 5.--remo83 12:37, 17 July 2007

Four out of a certain group of men who were selected as astronauts - but I think that Neil Armstrong and Frank Borman were in the same group. The second group of astronauts consisted of 14 men, and they went a long way in the Gemini and Apollo programs, except for two or three of them who were killed in airplane crashes.98.81.3.102 (talk) 01:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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Congressional hearings

Does anyone have transcripts for what Borman said at the Apollo 1 hearing? How accurate is "From Earth to the Moon"? From that (my only knowledge of the subject), it seems he pretty much saved the entire program. If true, that would be a GREAT addition to his page. 98.245.67.221 (talk) 06:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC) david bliley

First man on the Moon?

I'm going to have to check out Chaikin's book for myself; something about Slayton offering Borman or McDivitt the Apollo 11 command doesn't pass the smell test. First, it seems to conflict with Slayton's usual philosophy in assigning Apollo crews; giving two commands to a veteran isn't fair to the other astronauts.

Maybe it's not expressed here clearly, or is taken out of context; exactly when was Slayton supposed to have made the offer? Saying Borman chose to "retire instead" implies it was made after the Apollo 8 flight. It might have made more sense that this was part of Slayton's thought process in replanning crew assignments after the accident.

"Gee, since Gus is dead, Frank, how would you like to be first on the Moon?"

"No thanks, I'd rather just practice flying the LM."

"How about you, Jim?"

"No thanks, I'd rather just practice flying the LM."

JustinTime55 (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The Citation is actually wrong, the page(s) are 128 and 137 Specifically from p137-138

"NASA's upper echelon had always considered Jim McDivitt and Frank Borman as prime candidates for [Apollo 11], and in truth, both men were highly regarded by Slayton. Late in 1968, Slayton reasoned that as the only veteran lunar crew, Borman's team would have an edge that might make the difference between success and failure. And on the chance that Borman did not succeed, Slayton was ready to put McDivitt's crew right onto Apollo 12 instead of Pete Conrad's."

--72.208.82.181 (talk) 05:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Borman's "coffin" comment

An IP use is edit warring, repeatedly adding the words "Block I" to the description of Borman's comment, despite the fact I went to pains to clarify the statement. (Three different IP addresses have been used, but I think it's hard to believe it isn't the same person.)

Borman's comment wasn't just about the Block I; Block II also existed at the time of the fire; in fact the first flight-grade Block II CM-101 had been built, and the crew selected for the second manned Apollo mission, James McDivitt, David Scott, and Russel Schweikhart, were training in it on the very day of the Apollo 1 fire. (This was the very spacecraft in which Wally Schirra's crew finally flew the first manned mission, after the safety improvements were made.) Plans made before the fire also called for Borman's crew to fly the third mission, using the second Block II spacecraft, hence his comment "I'd have flown it gladly."

At the time of the fire, Block II contained just about all the hazards that the Block I spacecraft did (16.7 psi of pure oxygen; flammable material; unprotected wiring and exposed plumbing). The only difference was, an outward opening hatch was planned, which might or might not have saved the crew in a similar fire, which was every bit as likely to happen, until the effort to redesign it to remove the listed hazards. Therefore Borman's comment at the time applied equally to any Apollo command module, Block I or II. Also, specifying Block I is too technical for the scope of this article, which is Frank Borman's biography. The casual reader won't understand the reference. The technical definition of what Block I and Block II means is given elsewhere where it belongs, in the Apollo program and Apollo Command/Service Module pages. JustinTime55 (talk) 20:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Borman's comments about "the coffin he would have flown gladly"

Borman made this comment in front of Congress shortly after the Apollo 1 fire. The defects (pure oxygen, exposed wiring and leaky glycol coolant) existed in both versions of the Apollo command module, Blocks I and II. He wasn't just talking about Block I. He also said, "and I'd have flown it gladly." He was not slated to fly the Block I, but he was planned to fly Block II on the third manned Apollo mission. Before the fire focused NASA's attention on the design, Block II had essentially the same defects as Block I, until they fixed them. The only difference was the hatch cover design; since the Block II had the outward (quick) opening hatch, it is more likely astronauts might have survived a fire. But that doesn't change the context in which Borman is speaking here; he was speaking about the command module, period, not just Block I. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Worth Noting?

Borman is currently the oldest living astronaut. Is this worth noting on his page? 75.108.45.98 (talk) 03:08, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Please check my edits for grammar

Recently updated Frank's page since he's now living in Billings, could someone please check the entry to make sure that everything looks good grammatically? Thanks. BTW he goes to Famous Dave's here almost every day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryu Azuku (talk • contribs) 17:26, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: No Great Shaker (talk · contribs) 15:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Review

Starting review. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Basic GA criteria

1. Well written: the prose is clear and concise.
2. Well written: the spelling and grammar are correct.
3. Complies with the MOS guidelines for lead sections.
4. Complies with the MOS guidelines for article structure and layout.
5. Complies with the MOS guidelines for words to watch (e.g., "awesome" and "stunning").
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7. Complies with the MOS guidelines for list incorporation. Not applicable.
8. Complies with the MOS guidelines for use of quotations.
9. All statements are verifiable with inline citations provided.
10. All inline citations are from reliable sources, etc.
11. Contains a list of all references in accordance with the layout style guideline.
12. No original research.
13. No copyright violations or plagiarism.
14. Broad in its coverage but within scope and in summary style.
15. Neutral.
16. Stable.
17. Illustrated, if possible.
18. Images are at least fair use and do not breach copyright.

So far, so good. Need to read in more depth before commenting further. No Great Shaker (talk) 22:39, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

All boxes ticked. It needed several minor amendments and there was a bit of inconsistency around Bill/William Anders and the modules but otherwise it's absolutely fine and sails through this review. Definitely a good article. Well done. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:18, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Frank currently living in Billings Montana, still owns ranch but rarely goes to it.

I made an edit a few years ago about how Frank Borman is now living in Billings since his wife is now in a nursing home, however it got removed sometime last year for unknown reasons. I can confirm him living in Billings

Further proof, a pic of me with him at a coffee shop in Billings last year https://scontent.ffsd1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48232944_756559118010542_4004905288095236096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQnfu3rZyKNYPoA5JCCLKd8VBduXa53JBq88qSiO657gzMyvOd4OdIACYwgPspKHlRhD7AfOtP2-BoP6luOA6_Ul&_nc_ht=scontent.ffsd1-1.fna&oh=8cccc47c52e99b4a5ed0b09aed29d173&oe=5DBDC101 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:48f8:1006:d73:1865:bddb:d5a6:a270 (talk) 23:42, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

References

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Medal Error

Page has a Egregious error. Frank Never received the NASA Exceptional Service Medal. instead he received the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal. Borman isn't listed at all as a Recipient or Notable recipients of the Exceptional Service Medal. However Borman is listed as a Recipient of the Public Service Medal and was awarded it in 1969. Spartan1924 (talk) 05:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Borman is listed as being awarded the NASA Exceptional Service Medal in 1965, the NASA Distinguished Medal in 1969 and the Congressional Space Medal of Honor in 1978. He is not listed as ever receiving the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7 Show me where he is listed as Receiving the NASA Exceptional Service Medal. And He is Clearly listed as a Notable recipients of the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal in 1969. take a look for your self.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Distinguished_Public_Service_Medal?wprov=sfla1 Spartan1924 (talk) 05:45, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

This is the official NASA list Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:51, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7 Ok there's actual proof. however that means that he needs to be added to the NASA Exceptional Service Medal page and Removed from the NASA Distinguished Public Service page. Spartan1924 (talk) 05:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Go for it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

is there a way to send pictures here? So when i go to the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal wiki page he is lised but when i click edit he isn't listed anymore. these are the names i clearly see when not in the edit page.

1969

Harry H. Hess

T. J. O'Malley

Frederick Seitz

Charles H. Townes

Russell L. Schweickart

Frank Borman Spartan1924 (talk) 06:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Reference

I have a Reference thats a PDF the Reference was actually sent to me by a member about a hour ago its a list of Nasa Awards and it lists Frank Borman as a Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Medal in 1965 and The NASA Distinguished Service Medal in 1969. I believe that it needs to be a Reference on the page.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!AtNJybmm1z_LhRbnD-9ZM0vETHda Spartan1924 (talk) 06:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

27 men not 24

Apollo 13 did swing around the moon so 27 men, not 24, have travelled to themoon surely? 92.40.218.86 (talk) 18:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Apollo 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 (nine missions) flew to the Moon with three crewmen on each, but Lovell (Apollo 8, 13), Young (Apollo 10, 16) and Cernan (Apollo 10, 17) flew to the Moon twice, so only 24 men. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

yes! Feel so stupid now! Especially as I can name them! Thank you Hawkeye7 92.40.218.86 (talk) 21:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)