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POV!

The Younghusband imperial expedition should not be reduced to a massacre. It was a battle - a very one-sided one, like Omdurman, but not a mass killing of civilians. A "massacre of soldiers" is an oxymoron unless the soldiers have surrendered.

--JamesWim (talk) 12:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. But had Younghusband not first persuaded the Tibetans to put down their arms, before ordering his men to open fire on them? NRPanikker (talk) 06:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Geographical magazine of The Royal Geographical Society, of which Younghusband was president, states in its Feb 2008 edition that, whilst 500 Tibetans died in the specific battle at Chumik Shenko, between 2,000 - 3,000 Tibetans died during the whole period of the incursion. --Nio-guardian (talk) 15:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wish I could remember where I read it, but I do remember reading a quote from one of the British soldiers that went something like, "I pray to God that I never need to shoot another man in the back who is walking off the field of battle" I was under the impression that the Tibetans were mostly armed with magic amulets, nor were they professional soldiers. Nor do I think "massacre of soldiers" is an oxymoron. Wiktionary defines Massacre as: "The intentional killing of a considerable number of human beings, under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty, or contrary to the usages of civilized people." A definition that seems appropriate here.--Keithonearth (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The description of a battle as a massacre is inaccurate and POV. The reference must be deleted.Royalcourtier (talk) 07:35, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick French on Younghusband's eccentric beliefs

This article depicts Younghusband as a mainstream Christian. Has no one read Patrick French's biography? I attempted to note a few details of his belief in free love, the unity of religions, and visions of life on other planets--along with his project of conceiving an illegitimate child who would be greater than Jesus Christ--but these were reverted for some reason. Insufficiently notable? --Dawud —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.60.55.9 (talk) 06:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

map

I put up the overview map of Younghusband's trip from Beijing to Kashmir, I hope the scan is high enough quality. I've got The Heart of a Continent on my shelf here, and can scan the other maps if they are wanted, they deal with areas in more detail. That said my scanner is not of high quality, and I'll have to montage a few scans together. I also have higher resolution versions if anyone needs them or thinks they should be posted.--Keithonearth (talk) 21:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

affair with Madeline Lees

Some editor, possibly a relative of Lady Lees, has been erasing the the following sentences (for which Patrick French is the source). From "Personal Life":

"In 1939 he met Madeline Lees, 32 years his junior, with whom he conducted a mystical affair until his death."

and from "Spiritual Life":

"He wrote his longtime lover Madeline, Lady Lees that "I have made the discovery that bodily union does not impair soul union but heightens and tightens it."[25] Lees agreed. French, restoring censored passages from Younghusband's correspondence, discovered a letter from him suggesting that Lees was pregnant with Younghusband's child:

...why shouldn't an exceptionally spiritual woman like you who has already had the idea of giving birth to a Christ and who is now wedded in the spirit [to me?] crown her experience and give birth to a God-Child who will manifest God more completely even than Jesus did?[26]

"The identity of the child is unknown, and its existence cannot be confirmed."

The poster apparently objects to French's allegation, and wishes it not to be mentioned here. This is not how Wikipedia works. Whether true or not, the allegation is noteworthy, and has been published in a mainstream, respected biography. If the other editor can produce some other source contradicting French, then we could include that. I concede however that the first quote should be rephrased, and will go revise it now. --Dawud

Footnotes referencing James? 1887 or 1888?

What do these footnotes 7. and 8. relate to?
7.^ [[#CITEREF|]], pp. 254,262)
8.^ [[#CITEREF|]], pp. 125,217) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthhurts9 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Peking to India, 1887

I am surprised that this entry makes only the slightest reference, and a misleading one at that, to Younghusband's astonishing passage from Turkestan via the Aghil Pass and then the previously unconfirmed Mustagh Pass to the southern side of the Karakorum range. Surely the "Himalaya and mountaineering" section could be significantly expanded to give an account of this feat. As Eric Shipton has observed in his Blank on the Map, Younghusband had "no mountaineering experience and had never before been on a glacier..." (p45).

GianniBGood (talk) 10:27, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]