Talk:Fort Myers Miracle/Archive 1

Archive 1

AAA Marlins

The AAA Marlins were a completely separate franchise from the Class A Marlins/Miracle franchise. This info in the article should be changed in some way to reflect this fact. I didn't want to do it myself for risk of being accused of vandalism. (The AAA Marlins are currently the Norfolk Tides.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.132.188 (talk) 01:43, 7 December 2006

1926 or 1962

[1] has a lot of good info about the history of the team, However i think they are overstateing the claim that the 1920s FtMyer Palms/Miami Hustlers are the same franchise. That team folded in 1928 mid season.

The current team can only trace back to 1962 as the Miami Marlins. Smith03 16:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The 1962 Miami Marlins ARE, in fact, the same franchise as the Hustlers/Palms. The franshise still exsisted (for the entire duration that the league did) between its Hustlers and Marlins incarnation, but the franchise was classified as "inactive" by the FSL. When it was reactivated in 1962, the owners , at that time, had to purchase the rights from the Huslers ownership, effectively buying the franchise and renaming it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.184.118 (talk) 11:55, 28 May 2007

Can you provide some "proof" that in 1962 that team was actually the same franchise that folded in 1928. I know the FT Myers Mircle website has a nice history section and claims this but can we be sure that they are not just reconnecting the history to do a "full circle" how a team from ft myers moved to Miami and then years later a team from Miami moved to ft myers. The 1st FSL folded in 1928. I see on the current FSL logo they say since 1919, but it (the current league) has only been around since the late 1930s minus a couple of years during the WW2. It seems to me anyway a team "inventing history". You wrote "The team became temporarily inactive, with the rest of the Florida State League, midway through the 1928 season", the team was "temporarily inacitve" for 34 years.Smith03 04:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Really, I think this issue is kind of like "splitting hairs" and, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't even really need to be discussed. But, if you like, I would suggest contacting the league office to see what they have to say on this issue. As for the overall issue of Minor League franchises (or , indeed, entire leagues) being inactive, while still officially existing on paper and being reactivated (regardless of duration), if you look within the history of this type of issue (which I have, quite extensively), you would see that this is not , at all, unusual or uncommon. It has happened in just about all of the leagues, at one time or another and, in the case of the FSL, happened as recently as 1992, when the Ft. Lauderdale Yankees became inactive for one year, only later to become the 1994 Tampa Yankees. (Nobody disputes this.) Like I said, this type of thing happens in Minor League Baseball. The duration of the period of inactivity is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's one year or 50 years, it either happens, or it doesn't. But, in the case of the Miami FSL franchise, it did, just as with the Ft. Lauderdale/Tampa Yankees franchise and countless others. Your initial question was honest and valid, but I simply see no reason, at all, for this fact to be disputed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.13.45.226 (talk) 20:37, 30 May 2007

you are one making the claim the team is the same if you have such research could you please share some of this with us. There is a difference of a team being inactive for one season and one that is inactive for 34 years. Yes it matters, we should strive to be truthful to history and not try to create a false reality. There is tendecy amoung some teams to incorprate other teams that played in the same city into their history. I think it is important to be clear if these two teams really are the same or if this is a case of a team "creating a legecy where it does not exists".Smith03 18:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I worked with the late Sonny Hirsch who worked for the Miami Marlins front office for their entire existance under that name. I'm passing along some of what he told me. I don't have written documentation about this specific issue, per se. If further proof is needed, contact the FSL office. (What more can be said or done abut this?) It's a bit like disputing that the Earth is round.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.25.37 (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2007

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