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Add dates to information given on flights

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The article mentions that flights begin November 9 or end September 2nd, but it doesn't mention what year. I don't know whether this is up-to-date or out-of-date. If adding any information like that, please add the year as well as the month.--Gloriamarie (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's WP:Airports policy not to list the year if the service is ending/beginning within 1 year of that date. Therefore, every destination that is beginning/ending on or before July 6, 2009, will not have a date listed. All destinations listed September 2 and November 9 will begin/end on September 2 or November 9, 2008. Sox23 05:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All dates that do not have a year are located within the current year, any dates in any other years, the year is included, all dates are in the future, none are in the past. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 08:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Error

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The article states the airport is located in Dania Beach. It is not and can be verified by going to the Broward County Property Appraisers website (BCPA.NET) then clicking on Maps & Aerials and click on "city limits" and zoom in over the airport and you will see it's a County Regional Facility meaning it belongs to unincorporated Broward County and is not within any city boundaries. Dania borders the property.

Written by JoeD1667@aol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.124.128 (talk) 05:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: speedy close, not a spelling issue, disruptive, and WP:SNOW. -- JHunterJ (talk) 00:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport → Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport – Spelling. Apteva (talk) 01:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
  • Oppose - Per same MOS:ENDASH reasons as given for other hyphen<->en-dash moves. PaleAqua (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    MOS, and MOS:DASH has no bearing on the spelling of airports. This airport is spelled with a hyphen. The FAA uses a slash,[1] but in common use a hyphen is more common than a slash. The airport website uses a hyphen.[2] I have not researched the official name but it is moot, as a hyphen is the most common spelling. Out of 9,000 airports around the world, none use an endash. The MOS tells us how to construct sentences, and style things, (Manual of Style) not how to spell things, and does not affect content. Apteva (talk) 05:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Again these are style issues not spelling issues. Even the WP:Title policy refers to the punctuation section of the MOS guideline for these types of questions. Recent consensus on similar move discussions appears to agree with the MOS here. Wikipedia has it's own style and should remain consistent with it. PaleAqua (talk) 06:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Not when recent decisions are wrong. Time to fix that. Wikipedia can not choose a style that no one else uses. That would be silly. But style does not affect spelling. Apteva (talk) 06:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- Oh, no. This has been discussed [3] several [4] times [5] before [6], unsuccessfully at best. Hopefully this doesn't turn out like [7], which now has a title that's different from its actual Wikipedia page. I don't think it's really necessary to say this again, but a great deal of effort went into the MOS section in question, and absent some sort of ultra-compelling reason -- which "Wikipedia is wrong" really is not -- I cannot see this ending up differently than all the other similar discussions. --AgnosticAphid talk 00:09, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The MOS discussion did not address airports, and it got Mexican-American War, which it did discuss, wrong. Apteva (talk) 04:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with the endash discussion at MOS is that after maybe four years of discussion, the idea was that of course an endash should be used to indicate the meaning of the relationship between Mexican and American, to make sure that everyone understood that it was a war between Mexicans and Americans, instead of a war that was fought by Mexican-Americans. The only two problems with that, of course, are one there is no confusion - English idioms do not make any sense - their meaning can not be derived by breaking them down, like some other languages (often negatives are used to mean positives, etc.), and two, no one else uses that interpretation (2% use an endash), so clearly Wikipedia is constrained to only using an endash. In the case of airports, there are over 9,000 airports around the world, many of which are spelled with a hyphen, but not even one is spelled with an endash. I am not the least displeased with having the pleasure to have not participated in any of the megabytes of discussion of endashes, but I am certain that the result would have been different if a broader group of editors had participated. In general the MOS is not an area that I have any interest in editing, but when it tries to introduce errors into Wikipedia, I get very interested. Apteva (talk) 05:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's just that it really seems like a backdoor way to revise the MOS, but you're stuck here because you're voluntarily avoiding the MOS. Also, you're a bit flippant about the fact that you missed the lengthy MOS discussion of this. Perhaps you're glad you didn't comment in that discussion, but I doubt you'll get much sympathy without a thorough understanding of why the decisions that were made were made. AgnosticAphid talk 07:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
See also [8] and [9]. AgnosticAphid talk 00:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Mexican-American War is not related to airports. Same punctuation, different reason. Apteva (talk) 04:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as I don't think there's a place called "Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood". 213.246.91.158 (talk) 08:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this a reference to "Wilkes-Barre"? There are many airports with hyphenated names that are not named after a hyphenated city. There are none that use an endash in their name. Apteva (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    No, not Wilkes-Barre, but my understanding is that when two separate place names are brought together, an ndash is used between them. (Using an ordinary dash from the keyboard should still direct you to the page using the ndash.) 213.246.91.158 (talk) 06:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    An airport name does not bring two places together though, but is a unique item with a defined name. We use punctuation to convey meaning in a sentence, but we spell named items as they are spelled, with the punctuation that they use, we do not get to change the spelling or punctuation within a proper name. To do anything else is both original research and violates common use. This airport is correctly named, by common usage, with a hyphen. The FAA spells it with a slash,[10] but that is not how it is commonly spelled. It is commonly spelled using a hyphen. I will not list google search results, but that is easily verified. Apteva (talk) 05:01, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Of the 9 I can read on first page of google books hit, I see one with slash, one with spaced hyphen, one with hyphen, three with space, and three with en dash. Your results may differ, but certainly will not support your claim. And independent of what's the most common way to style this name, we have the WP:MOS for guidance on styling. Dicklyon (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Editing Airlines And Destinations Section

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I was editing the Airlines And Destinations and have run across a problem. I was changing which Delta Connection operates the Tallahassee and Raleigh/Durham flights, now Endeavor Air and ExpressJet. I made and saved the changes, but only the Endeavor Air entry appeared. I went back into make sure I entered the ExpressJet correctly, made minute changes and still nothing. If you go to edit the section, you will see the ExpressJet entry. I don't know what is going on, but if anyone can assist me, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

Ryan S 07:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)RokinRyan

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Incorrect airport identification in history section.

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Between 1995 and 2016, Palm Beach County was subjected to legal challenges by Donald Trump, whose Mar-a-Lago estate lies just east of the airport. Trump, who purchased the estate in 1985, claimed that low-flying air traffic from Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport was damaging the estate and creating significant noise pollution at his residence. His most recent lawsuit in 2015 sought $100 million in damages, claiming the flights were a "horrible injustice"[13] and accusing the airport director of "seeking revenge by attacking Mar-a-Lago from the air"[13] in response to his 1995 lawsuit. Trump dropped the lawsuit in November 2016 less than a week after winning the presidential election.[14][13][15] When President Trump is at Mar-a-Lago, commercial flights to/from Fort Lauderdale–Hollywood International Airport cannot approach or depart in a straight line to/from the east, but must turn so that their flight path does not enter a one-mile radius no-fly zone around the estate.[16]

This passage refers to PALM BEACH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (PBI), NOT FLL!

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