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Mt. Whitney

This particular Fort Independence is nowhere near Mt. Whitney. I think someone confused this location with Fort Independence Campground, California. (Infomation about Mt. Whitney was deleted.) --Scrap4 (talk) 18:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia grading system pathetic

Here's an article that uses 'however' as a conjunction, resulting in run-on sentences: "During the War of 1812, a squadron of the British navy repeatedly captured American merchant and fishing vessels in Massachusetts Bay, however they never attempted an attack on the port of Boston owing largely to the strength of Fort Independence."

Other peccadillos: We're told that in the 1890s, the U.S. government "ceded" the island (sans fort). Since we aren't told to whom it was ceded, the statement has little meaning. Next, we're told the fort itself was ceded to Boston in 1908. Fine. Later comes the statement that the U.S. government "deeded" both to Massachusetts. Huh? How can the same thing be done twice? Or, are 'ceded' and 'deeded' two different things? If they are, what's the difference? I mean, to paraphrase Dr. Evil, throw us a bone here.

Yet, cheerfully, Wikipedia gives this article a grade of 'B'. I would think correct English would be a prime condition for a grade of anything above, say, 'D'.

Now, granted, language processing is difficult. Still, is 21st-century computing technology capable of writing a bot to test whether the word 'however' is used properly--namely, immediately preceded or followed by a period or semi-colon? Of course it is. For God's sake, I just named the algorithm in a single phrase. Would Wikipedia implement such a bot--if not to deny an article's appearance online, then at least deny it receiving a grade as rubicund as 'B'? Nay, nay.

Wikipedia's grading is pathetic. I have said it before and I will say it again: We all want, and are working to help, Wikipedia to become the repository of record of public knowledge.

I'm afraid that won't happen for some decades, however I am hopeful.

--Jim Luedke Jimlue (talk) 18:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote pointing to Castle Williams

This article is the redirect target for Castle William. I was following up a reference in a book (King's Handbook of the United States) which gave the name “Castle William” for the structure that we discuss under Castle Williams, so I added a hatnote here to direct people to the other one if they were looking for it. I'm not sure that that spelling was ever common, but the hatnote seemed worthwhile. —Mark Dominus (talk) 16:05, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't realized that Sweetser's stuff was all now digitized before you brought this up. Many, many thanks. Anmccaff (talk) 16:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@RobDuch:, Kings's Handbook of Boston and King's Handbook of Boston Harbor have a lot on the old Boston area fortifications, and even mention the Savage Hill....uh, Savin Hill works, the "Dorchester fort" that may predate Boston itself. Haven't read King's...Boston in thirty years; am looking forward to these. Anmccaff (talk) 16:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In Popular Culture section?

The game Fallout 4 prominently features the structure as headquarters for "The Minutemen" one of the main factions. I looked for a reliable citation that documents the link, but really couldn't. A side-by-side comparison of the structures, and their similar location, makes it pretty self evident though. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Castle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.150.95 (talk) 02:16, 17 April 2018 (UTC) I understand this connection between the structures but what are you suggesting? Do you want to add a footnote about this structures prominence in the game? Jabish1134 (talk) 13:13, 8 May 2018 (UTC) I think he is saying, and I agree, that there should be an "in popular culture" section mentioning the game. It is definitely the same place, as dialogue in the game makes clear. However, without a transcript of the game available somewhere, I would not know what to cite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.96.217.162 (talk) 18:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]