Talk:Fort Bragg High School

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Fight song

@John from Idegon:It's not a huge deal of course, but I took exception to you stating unequivocally that fight song lyrics are never on Wikipedia when it's obvious that they are, sometimes with entire pages devoted to them. I hardly think that's warranted in this instance, I'm just trying to flesh out a page about a very small and frustratingly unremarkable school. How about you let me see what I can make of it over the next week and then I'll gladly relent to any direction from you over what fits with the MoS and what doesn't? I'm rather new at all this. Peter J. Mello (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Please read WP:SCH/AG. Those are the guidelines for school articles, where it states quite clearly that we don't put school songs in school articles. Please keep in mind that this article is not for the school, it's about the school and its purpose is to summarize information that has been written about the school that is pertinent to the world. Although the content of other articles are irrelevant viz. the content of this article, all articles on similar subjects should be laid out in similar fashion and cover roughly the same standard things. Sources will dictate what we can add beyond the typical location data, listing of athletic teams listing of arts programs, list of notable people.

There is a lot of bad articles on Wikipedia. Just like you and me, everyone here volunteers their time to work in Wikipedia. There is no one paid by the WMF to moderate or review here. I apologise for being rather non communicative here, and I sincerely appreciate what you're doing. This is my busy season at work and I have little time to write in detail.

Please note that sources must be published to be usable. You've sourced several things to the school's student handbook. You cannot use that as a source as it is an internal document, not a published source. That's why the school song can be in it, as since it isn't published, copyright is not a concern. It very much is here. Now, since most of what you sourced to it is entirely mundane, I'm not saying the information needs to be removed, but having a non published source will call attention to your info and may cause another editor to remove it. There is no way for someone outside the school to check the source, and that's why we require verifiability. A source is published if it's online, available for purchase somewhere or in a library accessable to the general public.

Your work on this article is good in general, and please don't be disheartened by some of it being reverted. That's how the editing process works here. See WP:BRD. You've been making bold edits, I've reverted some and we are discussing. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 18:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC) , co-coordinater, WikiProject Schools

First, thank you for such a complete and considerate response, I am much more comfortable with complete sentences than I am with what fits in the comment box after an edit. You make a valid point about the fight song, now that I've read WP:SCH/AG, I have a point of reference for where the line is and foresee no problem adhering to it, I'm pull it down myself. (Don't be surprised though if I find a way to validly source it in the near future just to give it its own page. I'm stubborn like that.) I respect that you've been at this for some time and possess the better understanding of how all the little edits best work toward advancing the aims of the group at large, and like me are just trying to do something worthwhile with the meager free time life affords us.

Just so you know where I'm coming from, I graduated from this school in 1997 and at the 20 year reunion last year I felt some pain over the fact that in all that time I'd done nothing at all to tangibly express my gratitude for giving me not just a good education but teachers that are still part of my life today. Like you though, life squeezes this into the margins for me and it's a unique style of collaboration that has you watch others erase what you've worked on without seemingly any effort at all to fix it or help you learn to do it better. This exchange here has humanized the process for me now, and I don't expect to find it so infuriating, again thank you for that.

The Student Handbook is published on the school's public-facing website, this year just as in several years past, though only as a lousy embedded frame from Google Docs rather than placed within their CMS. That's why I used the direct link to Google Docs in the citation; as someone who works as a programmer it was the more elegant solution. I'm nearly certain that meets the standard for a primary source, no? Is there a resource record in the cite to indicate situations like that? I see your point that the purpose of the page is to be a rock-solid font of empirical knowledge, not a puff piece for their public image nor a salve for my guilty conscience, but there's a lot of stuff like school colors and other esoterica that I doubt will ever be retrievable from a reputable source if not from their own (poorly disseminated, admittedly) work product, especially for tiny schools from tiny districts stuck somewhere that even God forgot about us long ago....you get my drift. If you have a moment, at your convenience, to enlighten me further I look forward to the opportunity. Thanks again for your reply, it really gave my attitude about participating here an about-face. Cheers, Peter J. Mello (talk) 19:06, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Demographic data

We should use only one source for the demographic data as it is interrelated. The demographic data that should appear on every article is enrollment, FTE teaching staff and teacher student ratio in the infobox, and a section in the body on sex/race breakdown and percentage of kids getting nutrition assistance. I prefer NCES, as that allows this school in California to be compared to a school in say Texas or Indiana. Currency is not the priority. John from Idegon (talk) 18:13, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Postcard image

This is a copyright violation. It appears on a website with no information on the copyright license of the website. There is no information present on either the image or the website to indicate it is indeed in the public domain, just a caption that states it was taken in 1907. Copyright starts when the image is first published, not when it was taken. I've removed it and nominated it for deletion. It would require a specific release from the copyright holder releasing it under a licensing compatible with ours. John from Idegon (talk) 22:06, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

As the request for deletion that was submitted against File:Fort_Bragg_Union_High_School_1907.png was reviewed and denied, my intention is to place the image back on this page as it was originally. I believe that it adds depth to the history section as a visual reference to the size and architectural style of the original building used by the school. Thoughts? RogueScholar (talk) 16:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)