Talk:Forrester single (locomotive)

The Craic

This is one of 5 D&KR locomotive articles. Hibernia, Burgoyne & Star are effectively fixed boundary. However there is a question if the Forrester Tanks Victoria and Comet would be in with Vauxhall/Swiftsure et. al. or with Princess et al. I was minded to go Victoria and Comet with the Princess build ... but I think I've changed my mind going through sources (and their inconsistencies). In practice this means this article will cover 2-2-0's, 2-2-0T's with most if not all ending up as 2-2-2T rebuilds though it may be hard to source everything. There's also a question coming from sources as to timing of Swiftsure in 1834 .... there's likely more of a story there that can be sourced. As a new result this article is likely to renamed something like Forrester single which covers everything with a redirect from Forrester single tank so allow for a 2-2-2T tank category (strictly they were built as 2-2-0T but that didn't last long. Just an update to current thinking.Djm-leighpark (talk) 02:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)  Done ... Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Disputed information

Some claims made in this article appear dubious and one or more firsts may be claimed by earlier locomotives. Article shows signs of lack of due diligence with incorrect spellings, grammar and syntax.81.154.12.242 (talk) 15:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

IP User 81.154.12.242, Please feel free to tag the relevant lines with tags such as {{Contradict-inline}} {{Disputed inline}} {{Dubious}} {{Dubious span}} {{Inconsistent}} {{Speculation inline}} --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 16:21, 29 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-mobile (talk • contribs) 18:15, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

To state the almost reasonably obvious if faith is lost with the WP project then a minimal amount of time would be sent. I have currently somewhat come out of semi requirement. The decision to have had this go live was retrospectively incorrrect and the G7 should likely have been respected .... there are a lot of niggly issues with the article with sources inconsistent on some details. Having de-retired .... probably .... I have worked over some cn's etc before reading this notice. The article situation is not perfect but I might work it up to a reasonable standard in time. Thankyou. 18:15, 2 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-mobile (talk • contribs) 18:15, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Swiftsure first?

Re-Reading Thomas 1980, p.163 it more specifically seems to indicate Swiftsure was later the D&KR locomotives, though my recollections from other sources may be different.18:15, 2 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-mobile (talk • contribs) I notice this contradicts so I may review how this is written after a breather.Djm-mobile (talk) 18:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

References

To do

A quick note on some things. The Victoria Class redirect here but its a WP:SURPRISE why so that needs to be fixed (D&KR Factory essentially cloned the Forrester ComnetComet). Leads to model of Alexandra at London Science Museum. Also I not a James Forrester (Liverpool) in a book not near me at the moment is claim to have create a valve in 1834 that was widespread adopted and that needs a follow up. Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

This may have been an improved version of comet-type design. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

• Look at following which makes a (one-liner) claim of Vauxhall, Outside Cylinders and adoption be the US in terms of developments: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark (talk • contribs) 22:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC) (Updated in-situ Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC))

• Hollingsworth, Brian (1989) [1979]. Railway of the World. Wigan: Magna books. p. 10. ISBN 9781854220370. OCLC 476572310. OL 8989013M. The cylinders temporarily reached their final horiziontal outside forward position with the Irish Dublin & Kingston Railway in 1834 by a Liverpool engineer called Forrester. They remained in Ireland permanently and were adopted in the USA from 1835 on.

Appraisal 30 January 2022

Looking back at where the article is now it has suffered from a rushed move to mainspace 2 years ago when certain inaccuracies were not cross-checked or ironed out. The useful edits by Oldnoccer yesterday made me realise that I had totally forgotten to mention the D&KR tanks Comet and Victoria. Actually the D&KR section is a little under-developed still and I have more to add. On the question of adoption of 2-2-2 conversions from 2-2-0 I had a feeling the D&KR got into it a little earlier than mentioned here .... but it might have been as late as 1839. The Forrester's wer very inclined to yaw ... and even more so with the tank version. It is also not mentioned Swiftsure took place in track stress trials in 1835? (approx) ... etc. etc. There is more in my head over things I think I have read for which I cannot remember precise references; and there is risks in me misreading or having faulty memory. I intend to revisit this at some point; but I need to focus very specifcially on it and gather my resources. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)