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Dental records redirects here

. . . but the entire article is about bite marks. I always thought dental records were used to identify an otherwise-decayed corpse. (Teeth last longer than flesh; man-made dental work -- fillings, bridgework, crowns, implants, etc. -- lasts even longer than teeth, and is probably more distinctive: everyone starts with basically the same set of teeth, but very few people are going to have identical patterns of decay or other damage.) Have I been misunderstanding the term all these years, or is there something missing from the article? 71.248.115.187 (talk) 23:41, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Calidum 02:34, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Forensic dentistry → Forensic odontology – reason: Forensic odontology is the accepted name for this forensic discipline. Both the American Academy of Forensic Sciences and the American Society of Forensic Odontology use this terminology. Purpose that forensic odontology be the main page and forensic dentistry be a redirect. Stabila711 (talk) 10:03, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 23:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: what do the non-US associations say? A Scholar search returns 1000 more entries for the current title. More evidence is needed than what two US-based organisations commonly use. Regards, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 20:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Society of Forensic Odontology, The Indian Association of Forensic Odontology, British Association for Forensic Odontology, International Association for Identification use of "Odontology". It is not just an American thing. Odontology is the recognized name for that particular forensic field. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:44, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What is the common name ? Is the proposal the WP:JARGON name or the WP:COMMONNAME ? Ie, what do news reports refer to it as, books about disasters and real crime books, and police officers, etc? -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

News reports are about half and half really. I am sure anyone can pick out reports that say either way. For example, 1, 2, and 3 use the word "odontology." However, this one uses the word "dentistry." As to the police officers I can only say that officers I have worked with call it odontology. This is of course original research so it doesn't count but police reports are usually confidential and are not typically released online so it is really impossible to tell either way. For books on the subject. They are also about half and half. 1 and 2 use odontology. While 3 and 4 use dentistry. Those practicing the field, those that attend conferences and symposiums, all use odontology (again original research but I have been to plenty conferences and they all use odontology). --Stabila711 (talk) 05:11, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Is bite mark evidence still accepted in court?

Unless I missed it the article does not address this critical issue. Wiki name (talk) 03:13, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology of iDENTity?

This seemed an appropriate place to raise the issue. Was the noun "identity" and related concepts like "identification" derived from the subject of teeth, e.g. bite marks? Found myself wondering. knoodelhed (talk) 07:11, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This would be an appropriate starting point for treating the history of forensic dentistry. The most common incident requiring forensic analysis of dentition and associated tissues for most of the preceding 100 years or so has been the necessity of identifying the remains of a person suffering a catastrophic accident. Today, it is most likely that remains would be identified by fingerprint and DNA analysis. But formerly it was done by dental records. Consider the case of a person riding a motorcycle in the days when jeans, a t-shirt, and boots were common riding garb who "face plants" at high speed. Not an uncommon occurrence. In most cases a "local dentist" would be pressed into service to create dentition records from the teeth extracted from the sinuses and brain of the deceased. These records would then be circulated among likely dentists until a match was found.

Pseudoscience?

Given the unreliability of the method it is surely appropriately labelled as pseudoscence. So labelling as such; happy of course to progress here if reverted. Springnuts (talk) 08:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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