Talk:Ford Fiesta/Archive 1

Archive 1

Super-mini

I object to the term "super-mini" in the introduction. The Fiesta is not a particularly small hatchback, it is at least two classes above the smallest "small cars". The Peugeot 106 - Peugeot 207, Fiat Seicento - Fiat Cinquecento and Volkswagen Lupo - Volkswagen Polo are all fairly smaller. It's same class as the Volkswagen Golf, Peugeot 307 and Fiat Punto (which the latest Fiesta design rips off). Similarly there were always smaller class cars in the Fiesta's past too - Fiat 127, Peugout 10x, Rover Metro, others.

Zoney 22:34, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

I've put mid-class rather than super-mini - it is perhaps the same class as the 207 and Polo rather than 307 and Golf. Zoney 22:42, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

There was a time, I remember, when "super-mini" didn't mean "smaller than mini" but rather "bigger than mini". I remember this sense of it being used in Car magazine in the 80s. —Morven 19:38, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

I agree with Zoney - the Fiesta is (on the European market, anyway) in the same class as comparable "one-class-above-smallest" cars from other makers, such as the Peugeot 206, Citroen C3, Toyota Yaris, Nissan Micra, VW Lupo. It's definitely smaller than cars "two-classes-above-smallest", such as the Peugeot 307, Ford Focus, VW Golf. This size classification fits it nicely into the description given in supermini - enough space to seat four adults and one child. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 08:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I was unfamiliar with the term 'supermini' before reading this article. According to the Car classification page, that is the British/European term for the car. In the US we would call this a subcompact car. Is there any reason the article is leaving out the accepted vernacular in the US? I propose adding in both terms in a way that makes sense so everyone can understand it. Nathan (talk) 15:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I originally disagreed with the above, and typed out a long-winded reply saying so, but having thought about it can see where it would fit into the North American market segment, so have added it there. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I can understand why this vehicle in particular has more British dialect over American dialect since they've only sold the Fiesta in the US since 2011, and this article has existed for longer than that. Since my first comment I've read more in the Car Classification talk page, and there is a lot of debate on how to best handle this in general. Read here if you are interested. Talk:Car_classification#Errors_and_limitations_in_the_Car_classification_article. I think more needs to be done, but it is a larger effort that would be needed to be done across all auto articles... Nathan (talk) 17:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Recently added text.

Much of the article text was replaced with the following text from an anonymous user. It mixed up the article, so I have moved it here. It has some interesting details though, and should be merged into the article. Krik 23:20, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The Ford Fiesta was launched in 1976. It was Ford Europe's answer to the newly launched VW Polo and Fiat's 127. A modern three-door hatchback in a compact bodyshell. Production took place in Britain (Dagenham) and Spain (Valencia).

The original Fiesta was powered by 950cc, 1.1 and 1.3 petrol engines. It was Ford's first front-wheel drive car and its first all-new car since the big Granada five years earlier.

By 1981, Fiesta owners wanted something more exciting than an ordinary little hatchback for going down the shops in. So Ford introduced the XR2, which had a 1.6 litre engine capable of more than 100mph. Black plastic trim was added on the exterior and interior, and the car looked exciting. But with a four-speed gearbox and just 84bhp, performance was disappointing.

In 1983, the Fiesta received a major facelift and a five-speed gearbox became available on some versions, including the XR2 - which now also had a more powerful engine.

The Ford Fiesta was regularly a top-selling car in Britain throughout the 1980's and was also popular in Europe. But towards the end of the decade it was getting left behind by more modern rivals like the Fiat Uno and Peugeot 205.

In 1989, Ford launched a completely redesigned Fiesta which still had some of the old car's components underneath. A five-door variant was also available for the first time.

Many of the engines were new, including the 1.0 and 1.1 HCS (high compression swirl) petrol engines. A 1.8 diesel engine from the larger Escort was also added to the Fiesta range.

The XR2 was renamed the XR2i (it now had fuel injection rather than a carburettor), but the real star of the new Fiesta range was the RS Turbo. It had a turbocharged version of the XR2i engine and could touch 130mph.

Specification on the Fiesta range was much improved for the 1990's, with top of the range versions getting antilock brakes, twin airbags, electric windows and central locking.

1992 saw the famous XR2 title dropped and the 'Si' badge in its place. The RS Turbo was also discarded, although the new hot Fiesta was the RS1800 - which shared its engine with the Escort XR3i.

By the mid-1990's, the Fiesta was starting to fall behind the likes of the Renault Clio and Fiat Punto. What happened in 1995 helped transform the Fiesta into a class leader.

Ford gave the Fiesta an external revamp but it made the car look bulbous. Underneath, however, a minor miracle had taken place. The chassis, which still had connections with the 1976 original, was re-engineered to give excellent ride and handling - a far cry from the stodgy feel of the previous Fiesta.

The 1.0 and 1.1 HCS engines were dropped along with the 1.6 and 1.8 units. The 1.3 and 1.4 petrol and 1.8 diesel units continued. A new 1.25-litre 16-valve Zetec engines was added to the Fiesta range and it set new standards for small car engine refinement.

In 1999, the Fiesta was facelifted again. The bulbous front end made way for svelte 'New Edge' headlights, but there were few other changes.

At the end of 2001, Ford stopped making cars at Dagenham (although engine production continued) and it was the first time in more than 80 years that Fords had not been made in Britain. 2001 also marked the end of Fiesta production.

An all-new Fiesta was to be built in Spain. It was entirely new, and had no traces of the mechanicals which had been used on the original Fiesta 25 years earlier.

The Fiesta was powered by 1.3, 1.4 and 1.6 petrol engines as well as a 1.4 Peugeot-sourced turbodiesel.

Since 1976, the Ford Fiesta has been one of the best selling cars in Europe on a consistent basis.

All original content in above text merged. zoney ▓█▒ talk 19:52, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Festiva

Can we somehow link this to the Ford Festiva, which replaced the Fiesta in the USA? (there's a link on the Festiva page to here). Also a picture of the US version Fiesta would be nice (it's a little different to the European version). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.197.253.53 (talk) 10:55, 12 August 2005

Mark 4 section

Did people realy hate this generation? 'Cos I think it's the best Ford Fiesta ever. I, myself, like it. Don't you think that [1] is more appropriate than the current image of Ford Fiesta Mark IV? The current photograph is nice, too, but the one, mentioned above is better.

In 1990, 1991 and 1996 to 1998 the Fiesta was Britain's best selling car outright, and in its best-ever year, 1987, over 150,000 Fiesta models were sold in Britain... I think this should be included! ---LuckyAfterAll 13:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I find it rather difficult to believe that the fastest fiesta could achieve a speed of 280 km/h. Which model was this? That is 168 mph isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Safemouse (talk • contribs) 18:05, 12 February 2006

Generation names: Mark/Mk/MK or not?

Most people say that the Ford generations are: Mark [number], Mk [number] or MK [number], but somewere I found that GFJ is another name for Mark III, JBS - for Mark IV and JAS for Mark V. What's the difference between these? -LuckyAfterAll 19:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Design Information

Can someone provide some design information (designer etc.) for each Ford Fiesta generation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.240.234.212 (talk) 20:40, 26 February 2006

Linkspam

It appears certain users are deciding to delete what are generally considered useful links, a warning has already been posted regarding this , and further deletions will be reported. Many of these links provide people with contact to like minded enthusiasts and access to information and advice regarding this model of car. DO NOT DELETE with out discussing.XR2TT —Preceding unsigned comment added by XR2TT (talk • contribs) 11:24, 13 September 2006

I've just removed a bunch of external links that seem to be there purely to promote the site in question. I don't see how photos of some random person's smashed up Fiesta add anything to the article, and there are countless inactive "Owner's Clubs" sites which I have cleansed.

Most links I removed added nothing the article didn't already cover and some were just downright self-promotion. --Happynoodleboy 14:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately one of the links you removed "Fiesta club of Great Britain" happens to be the biggest and most active club of its kind in the UK, i have reinstated the link but moderated it taking into account your comments above.A number of people i have spoken to recently have found the club via Wikipedia and have found it helpful. * I see someone has been deleting useful owners club links!, please read Adrians bit below regarding fiestaturbo.com , it should be noted that Fiesta Club of Great Britain recently put on a show with over 2000 cars attending and included representatives from ALL the UK (and Holland and Germany ) major Fiesta based clubs , providing a unique oppotunity to discuss the car, i deliberatly asked a large cross section of people about Wikipedia and many of them said they found the link useful. please do not remove it again, i am happy to modify it if you discuss it with me. Any further removals will result in a complaint being made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by XR2TT (talk • contribs) 25 April 2006.

I have just re-added fiestaturbo.com and UK Fiesta network. Both of these are highly active owners clubs with thousands of members, and participate at every major show of the season. In future please visit the site and assess it's merits as a useful information resource before removing it. fiestaturbo.com in particular contains a whole host of technical articles which have been assembled in the five years plus the site has existed, it consistantly ranks highly and as a result "downright self-promotion" is unrequired. If anyone objects to the re-adding plese feel free to contact me adrian at fiestaturbo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.159.99.60 (talk • contribs) 10 May 2006.

Neither of the said links are required to make this article great. Wikipedia needs more content, not external links. External links should be added sparingly to an article. It appears to me that both of the commments above come from editors who have vested interests in the sites these external links point to, any no one else here has argued on their behalf. Please see WP:SPAM and WP:EL. I'm removing both the links for now - let's get some other opinions here on it before re-adding it. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 13:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that other editors have revisited the external links on this article before, but there are many that violate the external link guidelines WP:EL. In particular, the websites which consist mainly of forums/classifieds/etc. are especially problematic (see Links to be avioded #10: Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET.) There are good reasons not to link these sites. #1 is the problem of reliable source (WP:RS) since the information isn't vetted for accuracy. They are also usually made up of origianl research (another problem WP:OR). #2 is the problem of "Wikipedia is not a directory of links" WP:NOT. The article has basically become a list of clubs (another thing Wikipedia is not.) One way around this is to find reputable articles (apparently available on some of these sites according to the comments above) and using them as references in the text (i.e. do not use forum discussions as references - they in no way pass WP:RS or WP:OR.) #3 "Conflict of interest" it is clear based on the above comments that some of the links have been added by owners of the websites. This is strongly discouraged (WP:COI). It should be neutral editors who decide if this content is worth linking. #4 Links should be symetrically related to the article. Many of the forums linked are not specifically about the Fiesta and on this alone they should be removed. ^(talk) is right: in most instances, external links benefit the linked website than the article. I encourage knowledgeable editors to begin the process of cleaning up of links. Nposs 20:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Mark II "Legend"

The mark 2 Ford Fiesta is not what I would a legend car, however, it was a major advance in body styles.

Reply on my talk page.

--Joshuarooney2006 14:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Tuning

I tuned my Fiesta by doing an engine swap with an old rover v8. I also replaced the drive gear with 4x4 wheeldrive from a lancer evo. It flys man... Zesty Prospect 19:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Mark IV

The mark iv shown is actually a Mazda. Not a Fiesta. Benbristol 13:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

• No it is a Fiesta, it was just identical in design to the Mazda 121 (hence the 'also called' part). Janipewter 00:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • When the guy wrote that, the pic that was shown in the article WAS that of a Mazda. It was changed later. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.136.247.101 (talk) 15:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

MKII mentions please

I see the TT MK turbo edition is mentioned but not the limited edition German 1.4i built in Cologne

Dd the Fiat Uno use the same CTX box as the Fiesta? Thats a great help as our one needs a new one and Uno's are easier to source than CTX's. It should also be mentioned that although the CTX variants were "low" designation, they had "high" interior's fitted with the rev counter being replaced by a analogue clock.

172.141.127.135 06:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Mark 6 Facelift lights

Alnicol (talk) 18:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC) The article says that the lights for the mk6 facelift are called 'nipple lights'. I've never heard anyone use this term and a quick google only seemed to bring up references to this article. Given that most people (outside perhaps of specialist forums) are unlikely to have heard the lights referred to as this, would it be best to remove it?

Info Box

Does anyone know what is wrong with the infobox for the MkII Fiesta, I can't see what the problem is but it looks a mess and ruins an otherwise well made page. Mtaylor848 (talk) 21:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Mk numbers

To whom it may concern: Stop writing "7th generation" as there is NO 7th generation for this model, yet! I work at Ford Europe and this is just absurd! Wikipedia should be a place to learn and not be fooled by people without any absolute idea of what they're talking about!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.189.224.249 (talk)

Are these actually assigned by Ford? I know the Escort and Cortina had Mk numbers, up until 3 and 5 respectively, but I'd thought they were dropped from the Fiesta after Mk 2. I know, for example, that the model is never referred to by the mk number inside Ford product engineering itself. Greglocock (talk) 00:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Mark 7 section

Was this lifted from a press release? --KJBracey 10:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think Ford UK Officially count what is listed here as a Mark 6 Fiesta as a Mark 5, they dont count facelifts as model number changes. --thelight1 23:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

No, this is quite obviously not a press release, and I agree with "thelight" in the respect that the Fiesta 06 version is not a completely new model, which is why I labelled it as a "facelift" not a complete restyling. Clearly somebody has felt it necessary to change it to Mark VII. --Chriskirby 12:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Fiesta Mark 7 don't exist

One last Fiesta (2008-) is Mark 6 according to Ford of Europe (oficial info Ford of Europe - Fordmedia.eu). You MK6.5 is only facelift MK 4! --Tomcha (talk) 20:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Please everyone read oficial Fiesta history by Ford Motor Company.

Mark 7

see Auto Express 8 MArch 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xljesus (talk • contribs) 23:03, 9 March 2006

the 2005 facelift is not a Mk 7 - there are no mechanical differences between the pre-facelift and the facelift versions. within owners' clubs the facelift is often referred to as a Mk 6.5 for this reason. the Mk 5 did have some mechanical differences to the Mk 4, which justifies it as a new generation, but the only alterations to the 6.5 are cosmetic. new lights doesn't make a new car. aisuru (talk) 17:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

B2xx

The information in the Mark 7 section is wrong, the 2000 Fiesta platform was called B2xx (226=Fusion, 256/7=Fiesta) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.82.37.41 (talk) 09:20, 13 April 2007

B2xx [aka B2e] is not incorrect, but is shorthand for the B232 & B299 development codes for the 2008 Fusion and Fiesta model replacements however the B2xx nomenclature was been used for previous Mk6 vehicles in development. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.161.109 (talk) 20:21, 8 July 2007

Please do not confuse platform and top-hat. B2e is the platform of the B299 and Mazda2. Then: B226/7: Fusion (European) B256/7: Fiesta Mk5 B299: Fiesta Mk6 - sitting on B2e platform. B2xx was used to englobe B226/7 & B256/7. B2yy is used to englobe B299 and other programmes. 84.44.229.248 (talk) 20:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC) Florian Bonnet 21 Sept. 09

Fiesta Mark V (2001-2008/9)

Fiesta Mark V (2001-2008/9)

At the Frankfurt Motor Show in 2001, Ford unveiled its latest shape version of Europe 's biggest selling small car. A new front with angular headlights aligned the Fiesta design with its New Edge stablemates Ka, Puma and Focus.

More info there --Tomcha (talk) 02:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The MK Numbers are incorrect. The latest incarnation is the MK7. The MK4 Facelift is non existent and this model is the MK5. The MK5 Section needs to be changed to MK6 and MK6.5 for the facelift.

I suggest this article is amended immediately as it is grossly incorrect due the the MK numbers being wildly wrong. I will reiterate, the MK4 DID NOT have a facelift, the revised shape is a MK5—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.1.243.122 (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Not, not, one last Fiesta (2008) is Mark 6 according to Ford of Europe (oficial info Ford of Europe - Fordmedia.eu). You MK6.5 is only facelift MK 4! --Tomcha (talk) 20:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
213.1.243.122 please read oficial Fiesta history by Ford Motor Company.

The press release was for the 30th Birthday of the Fiesta which was in March 2008, at that time the mk6.5 was the latest and the MK7 had not been made public yet. The mark numbers are incorrect, how you can use a release from 03/08 to justify that thee newest shape (lets call it the '09 model for arguements sake) is beyond me. EVERY dealer partlist has MK4, MK5 (what you call MK4 Facelift) MK6, MK6.5 and MK7. The Mountune website who are the official tuners for Ford UK list the new model as the MK7.

There was no such thing as a Facelift MK4, get it right! Don't use year old press releases to state what the latest model is when the release is out of date. It is wrong, all you need to do is type mk5 fiesta into google, are you going to tell me the whole world is wrong and you are right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.1.243.122 (talk) 14:35, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do is find out how Ford refers to the various versions of the car. That is definitive. Owner's clubs and forums, aftermarket parts, and google generally are not definitive. I'd guess that a read through the service and parts catalogue would be a quick way. Greglocock (talk) 01:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Greglocock is all right, Mountune is wrong. One last Fiesta (2008) is oficial Mark 6 according to Ford (oficial info Ford of Europe - Fordmedia.eu).User 213.1.243.122 please read actual, up-to-date Fiesta presskits by Ford Motor Company !!! --Tomcha (talk) 19:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Please can you give a direct link to a document that shows Ford referring to the 2008 model as the Mk whatever. Greglocock (talk) 01:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. There. FIESTA TIME LINE --Tomcha (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't. It says the Mk V was introduced in 2002 and doesn't mention Mk numbers after that. I wasted a fair amount of time looking for what Ford have said about the new Fiesta - and have yet to see ANY sign that it has been referred to by Ford as a Mk VI or Mk VII. Greglocock (talk) 23:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Mk V was introduced in 2002, exactly cite Ford "2001: All-new Fiesta Mk V introduced at the IAA Frankfurt Motor Show" after that follows until new Fiesta 2008, between 2002-2008 isn't any another MK above-mentioned information in Ford time line. Do you understand that and me? And logically, 2002-2008 is MK5 according to Ford, can not be MK5 1995–2002 or can not be "MK7" 2008-. --Tomcha (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't understand you. I specifically asked for a reference for the 2008 model (ie the new one) and a Mk number. I agree that 2002 was called the Mk V, what I want is proof that Ford call the current model the Mk 6 or 7. As I said, I have seen no evidence that it does. Greglocock (talk) 02:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I see, ah, yes, here it is! GENEVA GLOBAL DEBUT FOR NEW FIESTA, BRENTWOOD, Essex, 15 February, 2008 Cite media.ford.com "Thoroughly modern and designed to meet every need and desire of today’s supermini buyers, the sixth generation of the Fiesta family will be offered in both three and five-door bodystyles. The prominent coupé-like profile of both versions indicates how deeply the spirit of the Verve Concept has been carried into production. Make no mistake about it – this is a small car with a big presence." Now is it ok friend Greglocock? Heavy work try to set the wiki world to rights. ;) --Tomcha (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Deindent - that is the problem. It is the sixth generation, it is not a Fiesta Mk 6. The only way you can justify using these Mk numbers is if you can find Ford literature using them - and I have never seen Ford refer to the sixth generation fiesta as the Fiesta Mk 6. Greglocock (talk) 23:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Mark = generation number (level of development) or not? Facelift has no level of development at generation platform, facelift has nothing to do with mark number. Ford refer to the generation like as mark number, here is last mark VII HAPPY BIRTHDAY FORD FIESTA: BRITAIN'S FAVOURITE SMALL CAR IS 30 YEARS YOUNG!, BRENTWOOD, Essex, February 7 2006 see Fiesta Timeline, cite "2006 MK VII launched with voice activation and Bluetooth". I suggest introduce 2008 Fiesta is sixth generation, mark number VIII. What do you think of it? --Tomcha (talk) 22:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

• 1976 Mk I First generation
• 1983 Mk II Second generation
• 1989 Mk III Third eneration
• 1995 Mk IV Fourth generation
• 1999 Mk V Fourth generation - facelift
• 2002 Mk VI Fifth generation
• 2006 MK VII Fifth generation - facelift
• 2008 MK VIII Sixth generation

It's no big deal, hard to tell. --Tomcha (talk) 22:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Question: Could someone be so kind and explain to me, what does "end-on" mean in the first sentence of the "Mk1 (1976–1983): Birth of the Fiesta" section? I couldn't find it in any dictionary, and I'm far from mechanic. Shakurazz (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Mk Numbers

I have worked for FORD in Europe for many years especially on the Fiesta programme and I can confirm they have been built using the following Mk deginations: MK1 Mk2 Mk3 Mk4 Mk5 Mk6 Mk7 (current)

ANY Ford dealer will confirm this , to have listings other than those above is missleading and incorrect and a breach of Wikipedia policy. Do not try and missinform. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.246.135.176 (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2009

Good oh, find a ref and we'll use them. Oddly my brand new Fiesta says no such thing on its various labels. Incidentally being wrong is not a breach of wiki policy, whereas failing to sign your posts and removing sourced info, and replacing it with unsourced, is verging on it. Which office were you in? Greglocock (talk) 00:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I work in the service department of a Ford dealer in the UK and have never seen the "Mark" numbering referred to in any literature from Ford. Generally, the more recent models are known by their year and a decimal indicating roughly in they year when the model came out, eg "Fiesta 2008.75" or "Fiesta 2002.25". All other models follow this convention too. In my experience the most common numbering that people use is Mk1 76-83, Mk2 83-89, Mk3 89-95, Mk4 95-99, Mk5 99-02, Mk6 02-08 and Mk7 08-present. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.56.108 (talk) 22:30, 16 November 2009

Fiesta Mk6 - B299

in the summary box of the Mk6 - B299, it is mentioned that it is being produced in Chongqing, China. This is wrong, as it is being produced in Nanjing, China. This is actually later correctly mentioned in the tab 3Production". 84.44.229.248 (talk) 20:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC) Florian Bonnet

Getting a bit long - time for separate Mk articles?

This article is very long compared to the average Wikipedia article. In light of the Mk6 launch in North America, it is only likely to get much, much longer - plus Ford have adjusted it engineering wise for North America, so technically it needs more details. As has been done with other vehicles which have gone through a number of design and Mk changes over a period of time, would it now not be wiser to create a series of separate articles around a still core history article? Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 14:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, the Mark VI for North America market is technically mainly largely identical. Fiesta is the global Ford car. --Tomcha (talk) 17:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Autoboxes.

I've just removed a claim that the Mk5 was the first offered with an auto box. Before anyone thinks about putting it back, I suggest they have a quick look through online car sales as they existed long before 2002, I drove a 1986 fiesta with an auto box last year.(90.215.53.231 (talk) 05:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC))

Popularity

I do not fully agree with the cited article on making Ford Fiesta and Ford Escort the most popular cars ever. Ford chooses to maintain their model names for various generation, while other brands use different names for each model (like Fiat for instance). The numbers are therefore nice in the original article, but are biased to be put in an encyclopedia. (Micfum83 (talk) 12:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC))

Fiesta and Mazda 2

I don't get it. According to a SAE article referenced in this wiki article, which seems big time and credible, states that the Fiesta B3 platform was initiated by Ford. Mazda's code is DE, D- meaning the chassis code, and E- meaning 5th generation. They vaguely mention Mazda engineers, but boastfully mention "Dearborn" etc etc. Firstly, this arrangement is very unlike Ford, which has consistently used Mazda platforms to base their cars on since the mid 70s. I can't recall one actual Japan built Mazda model to use a Ford engineered chassis. Even the tribute is an adulteration of the Mazda G chassis (626) (GE to be exact). It's been widely pushed (and hard by Ford) to get this idea that the Mazda 3 (BK chassis. K being a generation evolution) was heavily influenced by Ford. Again, this doesn't make much sense, primarily because it's performance is so uncharacteristic of Ford, and Ford seems to have arrogantly slapped their "FoMoCo" logo on little knick knacks used on the JAPAN built Mazda 3 (like spark plugs, DBW throttle body, brake calipers etc). This really leaves people confused, thinking Ford did all the work. Ford never does all the work! Ford is a wizard with profits, brokering engineering and high-dollar marketing psychology.

That aside, what I'd like to know is: How does an alleged Ford led project and Ford chassis get to market AS A MAZDA one full year before Ford's own version does? Does that make sense to anyone? The Mazda2/Demio was fully selling worldwide and winning international awards before the design of the Fiesta was even finished. I think Ford is fibbing to journalist$. I think Ford is using their political power to take advantage of the honest engineers and humble corporate presence of, what you'd think to be, their friends at Mazda. The Ford Fusion is as much a Mazda as the Ford Probe. The Fusion singlehandedly began Fords renaissance as a company with some actual quality and driving dynamic. Coincidence? Too much of a coincidence. I'd like to see another reference to the project, than that one SAE article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.8.142 (talk) 02:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Production of the Mk6 in Mexico

It is stated in the infobox that the Fiesta is produced in Hermosillo, with sources. But one of these sources is a dead link, and the second, frankly is not clear about the fact that the Fiesta would be assembled here. Meanwhile, there are hundreds of sources proving it is assembled in Cuautitlan. As I don't see why Ford would produce it in two plants in the same country, without at least a press release, I just don't believe it is assembled in Hermosillo. I think it is a typo on ford's website. I would like to see external sources or I'll remove this "information" soon. Fabriced28 (talk) 18:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Sales + Popularity

Both sections discuss the same thing, popularity and sales numbers. Logical conclusion was to combine them, so i have. Jenova20 09:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Your Fords Generation Marks are wrong

Hi. I was just checking out your wiki(Im ot from the US) and it seams that you have your marks all wrong. Up too now there are 7 generations of Fiesta's, not 6. If you dont believe me look here: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fiesta or on Germany's wiki(thats where this ford was originaly designed: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fiesta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsmphone (talk • contribs) 13:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The difference appears to be whether the Mark 4 facelift is considered a new 'mark 5' or just 'mark 4+'. This page currently calls it a Mark 4. A quick compare on google seems to indicate it is commonly refered to as a Mark 5. I would suggest this article is changed, or at least updated to note the difference in usage. Or perhaps that 'marks' could be removed altogether and just references by years remain 82.46.109.233 (talk) 22:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll repost a couple of replies to similar claims-

Good oh, find a ref and we'll use them. Oddly my brand new Fiesta says no such thing on its various labels.

I work in the service department of a Ford dealer in the UK and have never seen the "Mark" numbering referred to in any literature from Ford. Generally, the more recent models are known by their year and a decimal indicating roughly in they year when the model came out, eg "Fiesta 2008.75" or "Fiesta 2002.25". All other models follow this convention too.

So it appears that Ford itself doesn't use mark numbers either on the vehicles or in the service documents. If you can find documentary evidence from Ford to the contrary then excellent. Wikis don't count. Aftermarket doesn't count. Models in Ford engineering parlance used to be called things like EF169, these days B298 etc.Greglocock (talk) 00:14, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like removing mark numbers altogether is the correct approach then. Just use the years. If common usage and a few official references from ford disagree, the only sensible resolution is to use neither. 82.46.109.233 (talk) 14:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Plagiarism removed

I removed the text Kevin George directed the design of the North American version of the Fiesta. He reshaped the front to conform to federal impact standards while keeping the look substantially the same. “I spent about two years trying to make it look like I did nothing,” he said. This text appears to have been lifted intact from the New York Times. Moreover, a statement that the US Fiesta has LED parking lights "used in a few other markets" was supported by a citation to that same New York Times article, which in fact does not say a word about any lights or lamps -- parking or otherwise. Come on, people, don't be sloppy and lazy. 04:49, 23 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.15.60 (talk)

Mark I Automatic Transaxle?

I remember several articles about the North American Fiesta mentioning an "upcoming automatic transaxle". From what I can tell here, the Mark I was never offered with an automatic. Was there ever one under development? It would seem that if there was, it would have been largely for North America, and plans may have been scrapped after the North American version was discontinued at the end of the 1980 model year. Cascade1988 (talk) 04:58, 13 October 2014 (UTC)Cascade1988