Talk:Flag of Sioux Falls, South Dakota/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ed! (talk · contribs) 18:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Will look at this one. —Ed!^(talk) 18:12, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria) (see here for this contributor's history of GA reviews)

1. It is reasonably well written:

   Dup links, dab links show no problems. Two external links tagged, but both seem to be linking just fine to me. Copyvio tool is green.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable:

   Source spotchecks Refs 2, 10, 12 all back up material quoted in the article.

3. It is broad in its coverage:

   Not Yet

   • Some of the early details in the history section should be included in the lead (ie, the city didn't have a flag until the design contest, there is a seal but the city didn't adopt flag until a few years after design.)

   • I added info from the 2004 NAVA rating to the lead. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

   • Design: Is there a designated proportion of the flag? Should be included in the prose and cited. I see there's one listed in the infobox, this too should be cited to a source.

   • The official flag is available on siouxfallsflag.com, but there is no reference for 3:5. Do you think I should reference the file location? Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

   • Yes, I think that would be fine. —Ed!^(talk) 00:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

   • "Sioux Falls was not included in the rating because it did not have a flag, but the mayor, Dave Munson, did not know why it did not.[10]" -- Was this the only city not included in the rating of the 100?

   • There were two others: Fargo, North Dakota, and Hilo, Hawaii. This is included in the History section. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

   • Also, should ask if there's context for this statement. Has Sioux Falls just never adopted a flag or was there an established reason? Does it have other symbols? Is it typical for cities to adopt a flag or is it a trend that is only recently common?

   • My search through the local newspaper and media came up with nothing on a reason. I was hoping to find one too. The farthest back I could find was the reference to Dave Munson, as you cited above. I haven't come across any other official symbolism for the city.
   • Since there were 97 other cities included in the 2004 survey, I think many major cities have had flags for a while, though in researching this article I found a few others have been trying to improve theirs because they had bad ratings in that NAVA survey. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

   • It might be good to note around here that the city does in fact have a seal, and that was the main symbol used until the flag was adopted.

   • I don't think the seal and the flag are interchangable. I would expect it would be really rare for people to know a city seal, so I disagree that adding this info is relevant here. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 03:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

   • Any details on other entries that did not succeed for official flag?

   • I couldn't find anything on those. History is written by the victors. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 03:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

   • "locals began accepting "The People's Flag".[1] The flag was adopted as a symbol of the community" -- watch for weasel words. Which locals began using it? Who adopted the flag? If it's something that news reports are saying you should indicate in the prose that local newspapers were reporting these details.

   • I clarified that these were local media phrases. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 17:27, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

   • "The CESFBCSF will pay for the flags for city buildings so taxpayers will not need to fund the new flag." -- Any projected cost for this?

   • I couldn't find any cost for this. I removed this reference, but added in a line that it was in front of a few buildings and the mayor's office. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 03:39, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy:

   Pass' Images tagged as PD, CC and Own where appropriate.

5. It is stable:

   Pass No problems there.

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate:

   Pass No problems there.

7. Other:

   On Hold Pending a bit more context and some details. —Ed!^(talk) 18:25, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

   • Thanks for the review. I got a start on it and have improved the article as a result of the review. I'm struggling to find info to support the questions for the other points, but I try to find some time soon to look into them. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 21:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

   • @Ed!:I considered all the issues you brought up. Most I addressed and the article is better for it. But I couldn't dig up any new information on a few, which I commented about above. Theodor Langhorne Franklin (talk) 20:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good. I think all of my major concerns have been addressed. Will also note the nominator has added 1.7K bytes of new details over the course of the comments. Going to Pass the GA Nomination. Well done! —Ed!^(talk) 23:11, 18 January 2019 (UTC)