Talk:Flag of Saint Pierre and Miquelon

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Cartier in St Pierre was 1536

Orange or red

Is the background of the lowest square (behind the lions) red or orange? J i m p 09:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC) The CIA says it's red but this picture has orange. J i m p 06:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The images in the external links of this article all have a red background in that square. Foobaz·o< 07:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the flag to have a red background of the same color as the top left field. Does this look better? Foobaz·o< 07:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Does it look better ... well, I kinda like the orange but it's always best to get things right. Thanks. Oddly enough the flag I see on this page still has orange though I click on it and get the new version ... strange things computers. J i m p 15:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

French flag

I'm removing the french flag from the article. Sure, SP&M is part of France and uses their flag. But this article should be about the flag with the yellow ship on it, not about all flags flown on the islands. Please also note that the USA state flag articles, e.g. Flag of Florida, do not mention the flag of the USA. Foobaz·o< 19:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The flag of France is not the official flag of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, although it is an official flag in the territory. Foobaz·o< 19:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 03:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced

I can't find this flag documented in a really reliable source. Flags of the World is a rich database, but it is a hodge podge of user-submitted material.

st-pierre-et-miquelon.com is not official in any way and it cites Wikipedia as its source.

grandcolombier.com doesn't have the relevant info.

So, this unofficial flag is used on one unofficial website and it is unclear who is behind it. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's listed in several flag books, such as The World Encyclopedia of Flags by Alfred Znamierowski (ISBN 0-7548-0167-5), p. 192. AnonMoos (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please add this citation to the article? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The flag of France

The lead currently reads "The flag of Saint Pierre and Miquelon is officially the flag of France, as Saint Pierre and Miquelon is a self-governing overseas collectivity of France." That makes no sense. The flag of France is the flag of France. They fly it in Saint Pierre and Miquelon as the flag of France because the territory belongs to France. They don't fly the French flag as the flag of Saint Pierre and Miquelon. This is no different from US states and Canadian and Australian provinces that do have official flags that stand for them and fly those in addition to the flags of their respective countries. The first sentence should read simply "There is no official flag representing Saint Pierre and Miquelon." That can be followed by something to the effect of "An unofficial flag has been proposed and flies over ...".

Consider it this way: When you're watching the Olympic opening ceremonies and see a group entering the stadium carrying the flag of France, you don't think to yourself, "Oh, look, there's the delegation from Saint Pierre and Miquelon." Largoplazo (talk) 14:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The flag of St. Pierre & Miquelon has a different status than U.S. state flags, in that it was never officially adopted. Traditionally, the central French government was not all that enthusiastic toward regional flags, though this seems to have changed a little in recent times... AnonMoos (talk) 16:03, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right. So it doesn't have an official flag. That's the end of it. It's just that there are people who seem to feel that it's inconceivable that a territory doesn't have a flag, as though flags are inherently and mandatorily part of being a territory. So they insist that the flag of the parent entity is the subentity's flag in a manner that corresponds to the flag of subentities of other parent entities that do have their own flags. But it isn't. It corresponds to the flag of the parent entities of those subentities that also have their own official flags. They can't seem to be satisfied with the real situation, which is that those entities have no flag and that it's both unnecessary and pointless to try to assign one to them.

It's as though, because every state in the US has named an "official state bird", some people find it inconceivable that other national subentities around the world haven't done the same thing, and then go through great lengths to infer an official bird to St. Pierre and Miquelon and Tamaulipas and Bonaire and so forth. Largoplazo (talk) 16:43, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have some abstract logic on your side, but it's a logic which appears to have a limited relevance to real-world legalities. Go to page Flags of the regions of France and notice how many instances of the white-cross-on-grey image there are... AnonMoos (talk) 00:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Real-world legalities? If a territory has no official flag, then the real-world legality is that it has no official flag. There's no such thing as a real-world legality that an unofficial flag is official.

I also don't see how that page, which is not a legal document, establishes any real-world legalities, nor what it's supposed to be telling me, other than that it claims that that flag that somebody has created for St. Pierre and Miquelon is the flag of St. Pierre and Miquelon. The gray flags with the crosses in the "official flag" columns indicate that there are no official flags for the indicated entities. That doesn't mean any of the flags claimed on that page to be official for their entities actually are. I see no sources cited. Largoplazo (talk) 00:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]