Talk:Fish Heads Fugue and Other Tales for Twilight

Not sisters

Although this article for Wild Violet magazine identifies Lauren Indovina and Lindsey Mayer-Beug as twin sisters, this is incorrect. The confusion likely arose from the fact that Lindsey does have a sister named Lauren - as mentioned in this Wikipedia article on their mom, Carolyn Beug. However, Lauren Indovina and Lauren Mayer-Beug are separate people. This official press release from the Ottawa International Animation Festival states that Indovina was born in Pittsburgh and that Lindsey Mayer-Beug was born in LA - remember, the Mayer-Beug sisters are twins. Furthermore, this section of Indovina's official website thanks both of the Mayer-Beug sisters, naming them as a "colleagues" / "compatriots". --Jpcase (talk) 20:12, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Frederator author

Although the source from Frederator [1] doesn't list an author, the blog entry is part of a series called "That New Show Smell". The first entry in this series, in which Melissa Wolfe identifies herself as the author, can be seen here [2]. I would expect that she's the author for all entries in this series. --Jpcase (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Determining which festivals to mention and how to source them

Although Lauren Indovina's official website has a comprehensive list of which festivals have screened this film, I've decided to only mention those festivals for which I can find an alternative source. I have no reason to doubt the honesty of Indovina's claims. Nonetheless, it doesn't seem quite appropriate to cite a filmmaker's personal website, when discussing accolades that they've received. There also appears to be at least one instance in which a mistake crept into Indovina's list - she claims that her film was a "finalist" at Stash DVD Magazine Global Student Animation Awards; however, the official website for this festival lists her film as a "Semi-finalist". Obviously, I've decided to use the same classification as the festival itself. That said, Indovina was likely just trying to indicate that her film "placed" in the festival, without winning top prize - a description that holds true for both "Finalists" and "Semi-finalists". As such, I'm not going to treat her website as unreliable and have decided to use it not only as a source for other sections of the article - such as production - but as a supporting source for any festival information that might need further clarification - e.g. this press release for the 44th Annual Ann Arbor Film Festival mentions Fish Heads Fugue as one of the selected films, but fails to specify the year in which the "44th annual" festival took place. Indovina's website clarifies that her film screened at the 2006 festival, and I have no problem citing her list for this purpose. --Jpcase (talk) 16:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Anarchy Film Festival and Moviefone Film Festival

As mentioned in the section above, Indovina's official website has a list (see here) of all the festivals that have screened her film. Two of the festivals (the Anarchy Film Festival and the Moviefone Film Festival) have been grouped together in such a way, as to potentially mislead one into thinking that they're associated with one another. This is not the case. The Anarchy festival, which was held by Slamdance, is entirely separate from the Moviefone festival, which was held by AOL. I believe that Indovina grouped them together simply because they are both online festivals, whereas all of the other festivals were held at physical locations. I've successfully found several references, archived through the Wayback Machine, for the Anarchy festival and have incorporated them into the article. Unfortunately, no such luck for the Moviefone festival.

For anyone who may be interested, I did manage to track down this Business Wire article from 2005, which provides a general overview of the Moviefone festival. I've also found archived urls for the webpage that used to screen the festival's films.[3] However, it doesn't appear that the Way Back Machine managed to hold onto any relevant information. [4] Perhaps one more tech savvy than I could figure out a way to make the archived webpage display the actual titles of the films that were screened. But I doubt that's possible. And while I've also searched around a bit for third party sources that might be helpful, nothing has turned up. --Jpcase (talk) 03:17, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Reel Women

Continuing talk about film festivals, it's worth noting that while Wikipedia has an article on a film organization called Reel Women, it focuses on an organization based in Austin, Texas. Fish Heads Fugue screened in a festival by this name, but Indovina's list [5] locates this festival in LA, an assertion backed up by the festival's official (now defunct, but archived) website. [6] My guess is that these are separate organizations, however coincidental. Even though it's possible that the organization is based in Austin, while merely operating it's annual festival in LA, this article from The Austin Chronicle suggests that this is unlikely to be the case. The Austin organization does have its own festival. However, that same article implies that this one was held in August every year - whereas the one that Indovina's film screened in was held in March. And while the Austin Chronicle article was written a few years before Fish Heads Fugue came out, meaning that dates and locations hypothetically could have changed, such an explanation would simply rely on too much speculation. So again, I've determined to treat the two organizations as separate entities, and as such, have not linked to the Austin-based group when mentioning the LA festival in the article. I've also decided to use the name "Reel Women International Film Festival", as its termed on the official website, rather than "Reel Women Independent Film Festival", as Indovina (I assume mistakenly) called it. --Jpcase (talk) 15:28, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Etiuda & Anima

Phew - this was a hard one. It took a lot of digging around, but I eventually managed to locate this archived webpage, showing that Fish Heads Fugue screened at the Polish Etiuda & Anima International Film Festival. The relevant information isn't immediately displayed upon opening the link though. First, you have to select "programme", then select "show the festival's whole programme" at the bottom of the pop-up, then scroll down about half-way (I don't believe that cntrl F works), until you reach "22nd of November (Tuesday) - "Kijów" Cinema". Fish Heads Fugue can be found under the "11.00 p.m. 3rd contest screening - ANIMA" heading. All of this is under the same url, so unfortunately, a more direct link isn't possible. I've also saved a screenshot of the webpage to my computer - so if for any reason, the archived link goes bad, just contact me and I can help out. As has now happened a few times, there was a minor discrepancy between Indovina's personal list [7] and the official festival's website - she accidentally spelled Etiuda as "Etuida". I've obviously used the same spelling as the official website. --Jpcase (talk) 01:56, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

End credits as reference

FYI - in some instances I've used Indovina's official website as a reference for simply showing the end credits. I'm not exactly sure whether the end credits themselves could be sourced as a video reference - MOS:Film doesn't seem to say anything on this - but Indovina's website contains screencaps of the credits. Examples of when I've done this - to show which aspects of the filmmaking were handled by Indovina and Mayer-Beug respectively (e.g. set design by Indovina and character design by Mayer-Beug), and to show that the film is dedicated to Carolyn Beug and Mary Alice Wahlstrom. --Jpcase (talk) 12:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Use of AnimWatch as a Reference

The archived AnimWatch reference [8] essentially reprints an article from 3D World magazine, with minor discrepancies and rephrasing. I have access to the original magazine article and have obviously given that precedent, wherever differences arise. That said, I still feel that the AnimWatch link is of value, as 3D World hasn't made its version directly available online. I'm fairly confident AnimWatch hasn't violated copyright. While now defunct, it seemed to be more or less legitimate. It was often linked to from Animation World Network [9], and AnimWatch's proprietor, Steve Ogden, appears to be a fairly well-respected professional in the animation field. [10] [11] Ogden credited 3D World as the original source of the article, and hypothetically, he may have even been the original author (unlikely, but 3D World doesn't actually name who wrote it). --Jpcase (talk) 14:04, 11 August 2016 (UTC)