Talk:First five-year plan (Soviet Union)/Archive 1

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20-30 million people for the period of the first five year plan? These numbers are higher than those given by anti communist historians for Stalin's entire reign. Entire section deleted until proper statistics can be found.

There's exceptional bias in this article and in the relevant sub-section in the main "Five-Year Plan" article. Darth Sidious (talk) 00:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Other FYPs

At present the term Firt Five Year Plan redirects to this page. As the USSR was not the only country to have a Five Year Plan, I believe that there should be a disambiguation page for First Five Year Plan, with link to the first FYP of each nation which has had one. ItsZippy (talk) 18:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Objectivity

Who's writing this? This article glosses over the deaths suffering this plan caused in the Soviet Union, and portrays it as one of the greatest feats ever accomplished by mankind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.91.9.142 (talk) 06:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Liberal Bias

The failures of the plan are mentioned, but what is totally glossed over are the left wing aspects of it. The collective farms etc were created in order to bring about equality in the USSR, and the kulaks that are spoken of are right wing capitalists. They are free market "rich farmers" who were more efficient than the others and were able to pile up more wealth. They were envied for their income inequality, so they were arrested or killed. The collective farms and the forced industrialization were things that were supposed to eliminate the undesirable things in free market capitalism. The state knew what was better for poor people, and would provide them with social equality and the material things they needed. This was a poor people's revolution in which all of the people were equal "comrades." Why is the left wing nature of it glossed over? I bet even this comment will be removed in the name of free speech. 76.23.192.208 (talk) 05:04, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon anti-communist historians

Too bad for them. Actually the debate about "super-industializing" the USSR starts well before any "War Scare" about a British invasion. Five Year Plans begins as a political necessity after the grain crisis of the NEP in 1927. No comment at all about the Soviet Union producing 40% of world tractors after this plan or the invitation of foreign engineers to create a technical personnel base in the URSS. Everything is about famines and "unrealistic objectives", and Stalin eating some baby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.220.179.63 (talk) 05:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Wording

The wording in the introduction could have been better. I found "gigantic farms" to be far too ambiguous to explain what was happening with dekulakization/collectivization. I would rephrase this sentence entirely to incorporate the fact that the peasants were afraid of turning over their property, especially their farm animals, to the new collectivized farm administered by the State. Conortleonard (talk) 03:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)Conor Leonard

Overall View

The first paragraph is a good generic intro on what the First Five Year Plan. The rest of the section also gave a good insight as to what was involved within the plan and demonstrated a neutral explanation such as how it was supposed to help but how it hurt the farmers. The article is organized chronologically so you see the origins of the plans and what was happening in the Soviet Union at the time. Some of the sentences seem a bit rushed so there may need to be some editing and a little bit more elaborating but overall information was given. There are also a lot of citing's that need to be checked or found with some of the information posted. Many of the sources come from books and seem to be reliable sources. Also, with the information given there is an explanation behind it leaving little room to taking a side and just stating facts. Some of the sections are brief and can be built up on but there are great points being made and a good starting point. When looking over the talk page it seems as though there are flaws that were pointed out and slowly fixed over time about the statistics and other topics such as the deaths being added into the article. Ss771955 (talk) 23:50, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Possible Additions

I think the following sources could be of help in expanding both sections dealing with the success and failure of the plan (also these section titles should be edited for consistency [already did this]); in particular, the article "Soviet Famine of 32-34" deals with how the famine came about largely due to the failures of the first five-year plan, and the article "overambitious first Soviet Five-Year Plan" deals with how the plan did and/or did not exceed/meet the targeted goals of the plan. Also, these articles could possibly help to expand the "growth of industry" section:

Hunter, Holland. "The Overambitious First Soviet Five-Year Plan." Slavic Review : Interdisciplinary Quarterly of Russian, Eurasian and East European Studies 32, no. 2 (1973): 237-57. doi: 10.2307/2495959

Davies, R. W., and Wheatcroft, S. G. "Further Thoughts on the First Soviet Five-Year Plan." Slavic Review : Interdisciplinary Quarterly of Russian, Eurasian and East European Studies 34, no. 4 (1975): 790-802. doi: 10.2307/2495728

Dalrymple, Dana G. "The Soviet Famine of 1932-1934." Soviet Studies : A Quarterly Review of the Social and Economic Institutions of the USSR 15, no. 3 (1964): 250-84.

Viola, Lynne. "The "25,000ers": A Study in a Soviet Recruitment Campaign During the First Five Year Plan." Russian History 10, no. 1 (1983): 1-30. doi: 10.1163/187633183X00019

Mally, Lynn. "Shock Workers On the Cultural Front: Agitprop Brigades in the First Five-Year Plan." Russian History 23, no. 1-4 (1996): 263-76. doi: 10.1163/187633196X00178 Eeng1 (talk) 21:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Peer Review

The chronological order of the information is given well written and easy to follow. The prisoner labor and information about the success/failures of the 1st 5 year plans needs to be expanded a little more but excluding that this is a well written article.Grubberry (talk) 19:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

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