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List of fire boats

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Personally, I think this list is sort of silly. Certainly there are some notable fire boats in the world, the John J Harvey, the Warner L. Lawrence, and the Edward M. Cotter certainly fit that bill. But listing every fireboat in impossible given the thousands of fireboats in the world. Also, what is the criteria for inclusion? The Bayport Fire Department's boat is listed, but that is nowhere on the scale of FDNY's Harvey or Firefighter. Thoughts on this? --Daysleeper47 12:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand this article isn't [[Big, remarkable fireboats]] merely [[fireboats]]. It is good that it includes coverage of smaller fireboats, like the Bayport one. These smaller boats probably represent the bulk of the existing fireboats.
Are these smaller boats: a recent innovation? Was it possible to build this capability into a smaller boat during the age of steam powered vessels?
Cheers! Geo Swan 14:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is a difference between a fireboat and a rescue boat. A fire boat's primary mission is to extinguish fires and second, rescue. In general terms, fireboats don't have outboards. Those are simply rescue boats. I would call Bayport's a boat, but not a fireboat. My point is, the list seems long, with no criteria for inclusion. I could list the F/V Cornelia Marie because it has hose and one put out a fire, but it isn't a fireboat. I could also list a dinghy that once put out a fire, but that doesn't make it a fireboat. I personally don't even think such a list is necessary. FDNY alone has operated 28 fireboats in it's history. This list would be massive. Geo Swan, I think you are referring to the entire article. I am referring just to the list. --Daysleeper47 16:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, they have to have a built-in pump and nozzle for fighting fires, right? Geo Swan 23:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, I've added two pictures to the gallery... I guess that it might be a good idea to make a clear difference between fire boats and a rescue boats. Unfortunately there is not yet a good article on rescue boats? If there were, it would be easier to transfer the pics to another article. However, I guess that in several places a fire boat and a rescue boat are undistinguishable. For example, we here in Finland don't have a fire boat, an oil destruction boat, a rescue boat for major passenger ships - but a boat combining all these properties. And yes, some small boats with outboard motors are used in fire fighting - there can be even thousands of islands, cottages, pleasure boats etc. in our lake and sea areas. A small boat can carry few men, a carriable pump, some gasoline and hoses, but rapidly. But if you find good criterias for a fireboat and for a rescue boat, we can create a better article on rescue boats and move the pictures from an article to another? Pöllö 13:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What about some cities claiming to have a fleet of fireboats and not all of the have a pump? Maybe some cities will still claim any real boat with a "hull" to be a fireboat. But it might do mostly rescue missions still. These smaller boats may have other equipment to fight fires? As long its not a "tube raft" or design for rescue only. Maybe some of these boats are fireboats.
Maybe Fire boats have to start to be classed in different types like fire trucks are. Calling a ship a "fireboat" is easier than saying "Fire Department's Boat". Think about it... We have fireboats with ladders, cranes, hanger bays, Helipad, and built for speed. Many different types of fireboats and need to be class in groups.Rasseru (talk) 08:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Has the gallery become too large. I believe that a few photos on the page highlighting fireboats is important, but too many pictures, like I believe we have now, clutter the page. Anyone else have anything on this? --Daysleeper47 12:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Einstein is often reported to have said: "Everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler."
The gallery should include pictures of representatives kinds of fireboats, or representative uses of fireboats. If we need a gallery this large, or even larger, that is okay, so long as there isn't too much duplication.
One picture of a type may not be enough.
  • The gallery doesn't have any pictures of fireboats actually fighting fires.
  • The gallery doesn't have any pictures of fireboats actually leading a celebration.
Cheers! Geo Swan 14:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say limit to one picture per country unless there's a particular reason to keep (eg, unusual construction or a good action shot). I suspect most pictures of them in action are taken by news organisations or fire services, so finding PD photos will be hard. To be honest, I don't think 8 photos is an unmanageably large number — iridescent (talk to me!) 14:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ship Classing

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I'm thinking of real soon adding a Ship Classing to the article. Now days newer, non-America, and fireboats that are not tug boats. Many fire departments have many sizes and types of boats that they call a fireboat. The modern term for a fireboat has change to any boat that is own by a fire department or does some kind of fire service. Any input would be nice on classing fireboats.

Here below is a way to class each type of ship that's a fireboat.

  • Fire Frigate Class: Any ship that's class over 500+ tons. (This would be very rare is any in service.)
  • Fire Corvette Heavy Class: Any ship that's over 100 tons and able to discharge more than 30000 liters of water.
  • Fire Corvette Light Class: Any ship that's less 100 tons and able to reach speeds over 16 knots. Able to discharge more than 16000 liters of water.
  • Fire Tug Class: Design like a tug boat and able to tow or push other ships. These reach no higher than 16 knots in speed. The ships are design for harbors, bays, calm coastline, and river use only.
  • Fire Patrol Class: Any ship that's less than 35 tons. Multi-equipment for fire fighting and Sea Rescue.
  • Fire Multi-purpose Craft Class: Any ship that's less than 15 tons and does multi-roles in fire fighting and/or rescue.

Rasseru (talk) 03:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-classing

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Like Fire Trucks... There are many dual duty they can do. Such as Ladder Truck or Tanker Truck. If a ship has a ladder and it is a Tug class. Then it would be called "Ladder Tug" Class.

Rasseru (talk) 03:57, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Sun Fire Insurance Company

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Sun Fire Insurance Company (had first fire-boat in 1765) may be Sun Fire Office, founded in London in April 1710? See https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/494e0d51-316d-4f1f-8dfe-aac460575ad7 for National Archives in London. Need to know is for the 1765 date.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:53, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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