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there is no arab

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kurds dancing in square.Arabs likes saddam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.243.223.254 (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not staged

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It would be instructive to watch the entire CNN newsfeed. I was watching live on the night and it most definitely was not staged. It began with telephoto video from whatever hotel the journalists were holed up in, of a few Iraqis attempting to pull the thing down. Sledgehammers and ropes. It went on for some time, a growing crowd, doing their best but not getting too far.

After a while an American convoy went past and I guess it seemed like a good idea to whoever was in charge to help the locals. The Yanks made a few attempts and it went on for hours of boredom before they finally managed to bring it down.

This was the early hours of the American occupation of Baghdad. It was pretty chaotic and staging an event like this would have needed a lot more planning. And there would have been cameras on site, rather than filming grainy footage from a kilometre away.

For what purpose? Just occupying the city was enough - there was no resistance and the Americans didn't need to prove anything or underscore the fact that they'd wiped the floor with SH. It'd be like the Russians invading the USA, and thinking that having the CNN report Russian tanks rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue wouldn't be convincing, so they'd stage something really really big.

Invading the enemy and occupying their capital city is pretty big. This goes down for stupidity with claims that the moon landing was faked or Dolly Parton wasn't a real woman. --Pete (talk) 05:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have to remember that the CNN news feed is not when the event started. It was my understanding based upon a MSNBC story that it was spontaneously staged (as opposed to pre-meditated) based upon a US Army report (I have yet to find) by an "Army Physiological Operations Team", and that this team had to use loud speakers to bring the individuals out. Additionally, i feel that the usage of Iraqi Civilians is under to much debate to be used in this situation. MSNBC show:(length-3:42) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMgEc9Qds8M RedLionSit (talk) 19:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The photo shown was indeed staged. Wide angle shots show that only a few dozen people were involved and they were mostly bussed in. Close up shots of the crowd identify the same people leaving a bus before the photograph and the same people were photographed a day or two later in another town and described as locals. Acorn897 (talk) 17:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I was watching on CNN at the time, and it unfolded quite naturally. There were no buses. This was CNN filming from some distance away; they picked up activity around the statue of locals trying to bring it down, swinging sledgehammers and the like. These people flagged down a passing convoy - or they stopped to help of their own accord - and eventually the engineer vehicle was brought in. It was all rather awkward and happened over several hours. Not great television. If it had been staged, it would have been packaged better. It wasn't as if any of the previous regime troops were actively resisting the American advance, so I guess the military commander on the spot was happy to topple the statue for something to cheer up his troops. --Pete (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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"Firdos Square statue destruction" is one of those compound nouns that we occasionally use in English, but are best avoided. I think it's a clumsy way of saying "Destruction of the statue in Firdos Square." 173.174.85.204 (talk) 14:08, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Eric[reply]

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