Talk:Final Fantasy Versus XIII/Archive 1

Archive 1

Phrase of Noctis Lucis Caelum

Noctis genetive Lucis genetive Caelum nominative

So in all actuality it is sky of night light

It's spelled genitive. The Japanese have no concept of case agreement with Latin across their myriad uses of it in video games (don't get me started on the Brawl theme song) so your translation is actually grammatically correct and Square-Enix's press releases rarely if ever have the correct translation. For their translation "light of the night sky" to be correct, his name would be Noctis Lux Caeli.

Versus is a latin phrase

Yeah... Unlike "Aeris" or perhapth "Aerith", Versus is a word that exists in English, and in English it means opposed to... I know the FF creators were all into opera and knew a bit of latin, but I doubt they were that deep to name it versus because they were changing the direction of the series... I could be wrong, though... I was wrong one other time.WhateverTS 01:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

They stated it during the press release when they first announced it and also in several interviews. I don't want to surprise you, but English isn't the only foreign language people know about in Japan, so it should come as no surprise that they choose a latin word or phrase over an English one. Also it appears that they have some sort of latin specialst in their staff, as he's done Japanese -> Latin translations of song lyrics for the composers. WtW-Suzaku 09:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Nomura stated in an interview that both the English and Latin meanings of "versus" apply to the game. Machinamar 15:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, seeing as how "fabula nova crystallis" and "agito" are in Latin, the assumption to make here is that Square-Enix intended the Latin meaning of the word. Final Fantasy Changed Direction XIII. Even if the English meaning of the word is also applicable, is the definition necessary? This is already an English-language article, and "versus" is simply an English-language word.
Sana 01:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Any particular reason why we have that little latin translation just put there?.... Its real charming to know what a latin word means, but maybe someone should bother to edit the page and expain WHY it is relevant to the article? Pstanton 02:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Probably because all the other FFXIII games have Latin words interjected into their titles with an explanation provided by Square Enix?--Claude 05:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Trailer?

The article says "image from the trailer". There haven't been no FFV13 trailer if i recall...

Well you recall wrong then—Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Boss Inc. (talk • contribs)

It hasn't been leaked to the internet yet.—ウルタプ 13:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

But the picture that is shown on the page is actually a screenshot; whether there is a trailer or not, that picture itself is from one of the many pictures that were released during E3.

And it's a screenshot of trailer.--Claude 07:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The real question, I think, is where can we see the trailer online? It looks to be as gorgeous as the main Final Fantasy XIII and many want to see it. If it's not on the internet then we'll just have to wait for it. This in no way means the trailer doesn't exist.(SilverFalcon 18:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC))

The trailer is going to be shown on the Japanese Square-Enix Members Only site on December 8th. They're currently showing the Crisis Core trailer for a limited time before Jump Festa. Go register now if you want to see it. WtW-Suzaku 09:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

How do you know that WtW? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikipedia is for Queers (talk • contribs) 13:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

To the above: http://rpgfan.com/news/2006/1579.html Machinamar 15:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.33.113.84 (talk) 11:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

It didn't seem that you needed to join. I tried to join but it says that the verification email would be sent within a week. Just enough time for the trailer to go poof. In any case, here's a link to the trailer http://www.square-enix.com/jp/members/special/ffv13_01/member_movie.cgi Once again, it didn't seem to require any sort of login. This trailer is available with lesser quality on YouTube as well. (SilverFalcon 15:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC))

There seems to be a glitch on the Square Enix site. I was able to view the trailer twice but when I returned the member login page came up. I tried again later and the trailer site was back. It seems to be an on again and off again sort of thing. The link to the trailer on YouTube was already posted in External Links. There is no difference except for the quality. (SilverFalcon 15:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC))

That was seriously one of the coolest trailers I've ever seen, I can't wait for this game to come out. Yea I think there is something wrong with the Square Enix site too, so I just watched it on Youtube, the one I found had really good quality though.--67.174.128.249 7:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

So was the new trailer that was shown at Jump Festa made available to the public?--User:Soccerguy1039

Completion

There has been much dispute as to whether the game's completion is 1 or 1.3%. This only confuses the people and so I think that it should either not be included in the page, or say something like, it is arguable whether the game's completion is 1 or 1.3%.--User:Soccerguy1039

I think no one cares enough for it to be included. Obviously, in a few weeks, that figure will change and it's not necessary to be reported every time it's mentioned. The final article after the game is released won't have anything of the sort, so why should it now? Axem Titanium 19:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Axem, it's really not that big of a deal so it might as well just not be included in it, but some people might want to know so it might be a good idea to put it's maybe 1.15% complete, that way it's an inbetween. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.128.249 (talk • contribs)

Wow, that's even worse. It shouldn't be included at all since it is basically pointless info. It's at 1% completion. So what? Knowing how far a game is to completion doesn't help anybody because they can't do anything about it. Axem Titanium 21:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually the game's completion is at 1.3%, not 1%.--User:Soccerguy1039

As I said: NO ONE CARES. It's not notable enough for inclusion, especially since it's changing as we speak. Axem Titanium 03:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well Axem if it's not notable then just delete it from the page, otherwise stop complaining.--User:Soccerguy1039

Then stop adding it! Seriously, you're the one who's adding it constantly, not me. I've been removing it each time. Axem Titanium 22:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you forgotten that I said the completion is 1.3%, why would I put 1% if I know that's wrong? My account's not old enough for me to be able to remove it, so if you just delete it then I wont care.

AH SOMEBODY JUST GET RID OF IT! I'm so tired of hearing about it, and by now the percents pretty different so it doesn't even make a difference anymore.

I'll tell you what Axem, if you just get rid of it I'll leave the Fabula Nova Crystallis page alone, but if you don't then I'll continue adding to it.

Get rid of what? Many editors have been getting rid of your stupid 1.3% thing over the past few days but you keep adding it for some reason. Axem Titanium 03:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That's what I'm talking about, if you get rid of the 1% on this page, then I'll stop adding that stuff on the Fabula Nova Crystallis page.

It's gone. Are you happy now? Now please either go away or make some constructive additions to Wikipedia rather than vandalising pages with false information. Axem Titanium 04:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes I am happy, and it's not called vandalism when you're adding factual information, but I will leave the Fabula Nova Crystallis page alone as agreed, as long as the 1% stays off this page.

Except it's not factual, which is exactly why it's vandalism.--Claude 05:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I've request Unprotection for the pages, now that you have agreed to stop editing. Just out of interest - how do you know it's 13% / 1.3%? Don't just quote FF Insider, actually tell us why you think so (given that in the photo it says 3% / 1%). SynergyBlades 17:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I know that it's at the completions I've stated multiple times because I've checked several websites, and just stated the one I know best since the others I'd never used before. And that's why the information is factual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.57.145 (talk • contribs)

Then you have to cite the source (something you should have learned in middle school so as to prevent plagiarism). Since you didn't cite any sources, it is original research. Also, FFI is not a reliable source and therefore cannot be cited. Axem Titanium 04:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well every bit of info I've ever looked up on FFI has been correct, plus there were 2 or 3 other sources that said the same completions. And my middle school didn't make us cite any sources since they had a good web searcher to check if you just downloaded the paper.

Doesn't matter. FFI has no authority on the subject matter of FFXIII's completion. There are two completion percentages floating around the internet, and neither one of them are official or confirmed in any shape or form.--Claude 08:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually it does matter, FFI is reliable, so shut up.

How about no, not reliable, so shut up.--Claude 06:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's very reliable, there's a reason that wikipedia is known as not very reliable among gamers you know, so you're the unreliable one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.57.145 (talk • contribs)

Shut up, it doesn't matter and this arguments pointless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.57.145 (talk • contribs)

If the argument is pointless, then why continue arguing about it and deleting people's posts? Just let it rest, kid. EvilReborn 22:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not in on the argument, I just got in and said something to shut them up cause they're being retarded, and that was the first time I deleted any posts, I can't let racist comments be up in our discussion page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.57.145 (talk • contribs)

That's 8 deletions. And "racist comments" too now, eh? Even though there were none as I've checked every edit. Somebody pass me the popcorn, this kid's hilarious. :) SynergyBlades 00:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

This is like a movie: someone says something reasonable, then someone else says something extremely ridiculous over and over and over. Oh, and SynergyBlades: don't expect your comments to stay around too long. Every day this kid deletes ones he doesn't like. And "OMG ADD THE PERCENTAGE YOU n00bZ" kid: deal with it. There are no official numbers on the completion. If everyone who reads the FF Versus XIII article doesn't know it's at 3% or 13% or 1.3% or whatever they report, nobody cares. It's a difference of a couple of months, tops and that's way in the future. And while you're at it, try learning some correct grammar—"up in our discussion page" isn't. EvilReborn 02:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you tell us what somebody said that was racist? I didn't see anything either.

Oh and Synergy I'm pretty sure those were my deletions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.128.249 (talk • contribs)

I'll give you a hint about what he said that was racist, I'm left handed.

Wow, you're not very smart. At all. You keep deleting comments you don't like then pull things out of your ass about racist comments. And you think you can comment about retardation. Just...wow. I haven't been this entertained by someone's antics on wiki in a long time.--Claude 10:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

That's not cool Claude, I wanted to hear that joke, and I can since my parents are from Taiwan.

That doesn't mean that he can tell racist jokes, if you want to hear the joke have him tell you it some other way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikipedia is for Queers (talk • contribs) 13:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

First, stop having conversations with yourself. It's strangely entertaining, but you weren't fooling anyone the first time you did it, and you're not fooling anyone now. If it wasn't obvious from checking the history, then the bot blew the cover off of your genius plan when you decided not to sign your comments. Second, that's the THIRD time you removed my comment from the talk page, which is an offense. You're working towards a quick block, aren't you? Third, making false accusations about racists comments is also an offense, I'm sure. Next time you might want to tell those kinds of lies on a site that doesn't have a full history of the page and its edits.--Claude 04:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

First off I don't talk to myself, the other guy might be talking to himself but not me, and fine I'll start signing my comments if it'll make you happy. I just think it's a waste of time since you can check the history if you really want to know who said what.--67.174.128.249 5:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I still want to know what that guy said that was racist, don't you guys?--67.174.128.249 8:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I already told you, I'm left handed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.57.145 (talk • contribs) As well, because there is no confirmation from a website that isn't an online store - and because online stores are particularly incorrect concerning release dates of video games, there should not be any reference or mention of a concrete release date other than "TBA 2008," for example.

There is no word from Square Enix about anything about FF versus XIII on completion.Ffgamera (talk) 10:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Characters

Whatever happened to the characters section of the article?--67.174.128.249 8:09, 10, December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about the rest of you but I'd like to know what happened to it.--67.174.128.249 3:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatever since you guys are ignoring me I just re-added it.--67.174.128.249 7:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I think some kid said it was just saying what was in the trailer and wasn't actually about the characters so he deleted it. --User:Soccerguy1039

Protagonist's Name

Has anybody else heard that the protagonist's name is Night? Cause I haven't found that anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.128.249 (talk • contribs)

No, I haven't seen that used anywhere. I think that whoever added that was basing it off of something they heard; it's unsourced and I've seen no support for that anywhere. EvilReborn 21:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

About the soldiers, it says that they are rumored to be from Pulse, but isn't Pulse a part of the world from Final Fantasy XIII?--User:Soccerguy1039

Yes. Final Fantasy XIII and FF Versus XIII exist in the same worlds, albeit with different characters and time periods. Oh, and good job--you actually signed your name. EvilReborn 22:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

That was really stupid, were you trying to sound cool just now?--User:Soccerguy1039

No, simply answering your question. EvilReborn 14:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

No, you were trying to sound cool but ended up sounding like a retard.--User:Soccerguy1039

You're one to talk. EvilReborn 21:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Not exactly. "As Square Enix explained, the trio is linked through a common mythology but do not have any common characters, worlds, or stories. They all take place in the same universe, but aren't related to each other directly". [1] SynergyBlades 21:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

The protagonist's name has not been confirmed yet by Square-Enix. I haven't heard Night yet, but I have heard "Storm," "Sutomu," and something like "Sawayana." Many fans have adopted TEK (That Emo Kid) or TREK (The Red-Eyed Kid) as his unofficial nickname. Machinamar 15:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

So then shouldn't we take out the part about the soldiers supposedly being from Pulse? And I don't think that the name Storm really needs to be in there right now since there's no evidence backing it up.--67.174.128.249

Who keeps putting that the main character's name might be Storm? That's pure speculation with nothing to back it up and doesn't belong in the article.--Emokid200618 17:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The upcoming video game template clearly says that the article "is likely to contain information of a speculative nature." The main character's name is a rather important piece of information which should be included, whether speculation or not. And concerning the claim of it being "pure speculation with nothing to back it up": as the article stated, Nomura has named several major characters after natural phenomena. Therefore, I think that information should stay in the article. Others: what's your take on it? EvilReborn 00:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

…Just because something very well might be doesn’t mean we have the right to say it is.—ウルタプ 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

All of the other speculation involved in the article have some sort of evidence backing it up. Other than Tetsuya having in the past named many characters after natural phenomena there is nothing to back it up, and just because he has a habit doesn't mean that all characters he designs will be named after natural phenomena, and therefore should be left out of the article.--Emokid200618 00:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. I see what you're saying: it's not important enough nor does it have enough evidence to back it up. EvilReborn 01:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's stupid to say that the main character is a mysterious young man just because information hasn't been released about him. At this point, everything about this game is mysterious.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.186.147 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Please, place new posts at the bottom of the topic and sign your posts using ~~~~.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

uhm...i'd like to ask if anybody actually thinks that the 'invisible weapons' are the legendary weapons from Final Fantasy V?(just left it here since it didn't seem to fit in anywhere else:P) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.10 (talk) 11:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Some people are saying that his name is Carrot !! i don't know where did they get that from

His name might as well be Somnus, according to the FF Versus XIII track in Drammatica. It was the same thing with KHII (Roxas' was indirectly, but officially, revealed through the game's track listings). :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.87.255.133 (talk) 13:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I've reverted all the instances where the main character was called "Storm". At this point of time, we literally have NO idea what his name is, nor are there any sources to back up the fact that his name might be "Storm". We should wait until the name is officially revealed. Until then, don't add back the name "Storm" or any other names. =/ 84.134.187.222 (talk) 21:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

SIXAXIS and exclusivity

The fact that the game is using the SIXAXIS confirms it is a PS3 exclusive! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.95.169.245 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 20 April 2007

it only proves that the PS3 version will use the SIXAXIS. At this stage several media have reported that the exclusivity is under discussion and/or that it has been confirmed that it will be a multi platform release. You may not like it but that is how it stands at the moment. I think we have a responsibility to report the facts here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Movellon (talk • contribs) 13:54, 20 April 2007

There is no reason to believe that it will be coming on anything other than PS3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.20.7 (talk) 20:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

_______ Actually Nomura mentioned in an magazine interview that sony has been good to him in regards to kingdom hearts and he would not do anything to betray their kindness. (or something like that) 209.244.31.44 (talk) 19:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

There was also no reason to belive that Final Fantasy XIII was coming out on the 360 since Square said there were no plans for a Final Fantasy on the 360 after XI. We all know how that ended. Since XIII is no longer exclusive, it could be possible that Versus may not longer be either. No word on the status of Versus from this year's E3 yet, however.86.153.145.85 (talk) 21:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It seems likely that Versus will also come to the Xbox 360, because Square said the reason XII is no longer exclusive is because Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were both succesful on the 360 so Square wants to cash in on the console considering that many 360 users play JRPG's and the fact that Square has virtually no competition in JRPG department of the 360. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.79.121 (talk) 07:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy versus XIII is not comng to Xbox 360 just because FFXIII is. Besides, E3 2008 has already gone.Ffgamera (talk) 10:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I on't know about you guys, but that worries me. Afterall, Square moved from Nintendo to Sony, so they might do the same again. I don't think so, because that ignores the people who have a PS3 already and cuts a big chunk in the selling markets.67.142.161.36 (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

I find it is important to include a picture of the protagonist's face, so I'm adding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadowfyre (talk • contribs) 03:13, 20 May 2007

Exclusivity

Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy Versus XIII were announced as Playstation 3 exclusives.-[2] [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadowfyre (talk • contribs) 20:15, 17 June 2007

Maybe so, but it was confirmed at E3 this year that XIII is on the Xbox 360 now too, the same fate could await Versus XIII at some point too. 86.153.145.85 (talk) 21:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

That post is from last year...no offense, but pay attention.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

A slight overlook there on my part, sorry. 86.153.145.85 (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed the statement regarding exclusivity because it is pure speculation; Hashimoto says there are no plans to port over Versus XIII to the 360. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.216.151 (talk) 05:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII is now for PS3 and Xbox 360. Final Fantasy versus XIII will not be for Xbox 360 unless otherwise specified by Square Enix.Ffgamera (talk) 10:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

was the trailer CG?

was it a gci trailer or was that really the graphics?

There has not been any official confirmation as far as I know, though it's pretty obvious it's CGI if you compare the FF Vs. XIII video to the real time grapihcs presented in the FF XIII video.Shadowfyre (talk)

No confirmation, but the real-time combat in the FFXIII trailer looks like something the PS2 might be able to do. Not to mention, SE said themselves the trailer was showing FFXIII only in its alpha stage. Various graphical touches had yet to have been added. It should be noted that White Engine (now Crystal Tools) was in its infancy then. Scarslasher (talk) 01:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

New Information

I have found information about the development of Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

"Dengeki has interviewed Tetsuya Nomura on the future of Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy XIII and he's revealed some more information on the development of the games.

Nomura says that with the help of the disc space on Blu-Ray and the Hard drive in each PS3, The evolution of Final Fantasy XII to XIII will be as big as the evolution of Final Fantasy VI to VII. He also says that Final Fantasy XIII will probably be the first game to use the full specifications of the Playstation 3. Another interesting thing he mentioned was that the airship present in Final Fantasy Versus XIII will be able to take part in airborne assaults over the world map. Hopefully we'll see that in action soon. Finally, Dengeki also asked him once again whether the games will be Playstation 3 exclusives which he replied to with "Of course"."

Source- http://finalfantasy-xiii.net/2007/11/20/ffxiii-and-versus-will-use-full-specifications-of-the-playstation-3.html Original Source- http://ff7ac.hotcafe.to/

If anyone wants to add this to the article, do so. Shadowfyre (talk)

There's an expanded look at that interview on IGN as well: [4]. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII will no longer use PS3's full capability due to it being on Xbox 360. FF versus XIII will remain fully developed, however.Ffgamera (talk) 10:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

"Violence"

If you guys don't mind, I changed the "blood" bit here and there that was included, to make it appear a little more professional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 20:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Weapons

The caption under the picture of the main character with his weapon surrounding him states that there are 13 weapons. I only count 11, though. Find a bigger picture and check it out. Unless whoever wrote that is counting his FISTS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.51.237 (talk) 22:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

?

"Nomura has also confirmed that airships will be in the game and will be fully controllable."

Where does it say that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2L84UBB (talk • contribs) 17:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I saw the same thing on some other website, I just don't remember which one. I'm not sure if it should be added though, I think the website I saw it on was a fansite, not sure how relible it would be. It's your guys choice though, I don't have a source to link so I'm not going to add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emo777 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

There's too many of them. Frvernchanezzz (talk) 03:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to remove some. Kariteh (talk) 11:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Release date announced

Amazon.com has this game in pre-sale shipping in december 1st, 2008. Should it be included in the article? --Kalel (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Amazon has said December 13th.. but this has been falsified by Square Enix and the Wikipedia article itselfFfgamera (talk) 10:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it should not. Square Enix has stated that any release date beyond their announcement should be considered as erroneous and should be disregarded. Zeta Nova 16:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC).

Somnus

Should it be noted somewhere, somehow, that the song from the trailer(s) is called Somnus? By Yoko Shimomura. It's even listed in the wiki entry on Drammatica - a compilation of her music. --Vylen (talk) 15:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be added somewhere on the page, maybe in a same music section or something. But make sure that it's the songs real name, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emo777 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Character Pictures

If it's possible I think someone should add pictures of the other characters too, not just the protaganist. I can't because I don't have any, but if someone does I think we should add them. It's up to you guys though, that's just my suggestion.209.215.23.210 (talk) 07:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Stella's surname

I'm going to tweak the English spelling of her last name a bit. フルーレ is the katakana for fleuret, a type of sword used in fencing (referred to as a foil in English). Since we've seen that Stella uses a rapier for a weapon, it would make sense that her last name may be a nod to the fencing connection. --Eajs (talk) 08:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this fan-assumption and speculation? With the official English spelling for these full names not yet released, I doubt it's wise to do original research on them. — Blue。 09:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

This is true, however considering that any romanization of their names at this point is speculation, I just wanted to provide the reasoning behind my changing of one letter from the speculated romanization that was already provided. --Eajs (talk) 16:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that very much. It may be likely that the romanization/English name might follow that pattern - her using a rapier and all. But, we'll just have to see what Square has to say about it. Cheers. — Blue。 17:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Dirge of Cerberus?

someone added that it has a third person shooting gameplay that is similar to Dirge of Cerberus.

similar how? and what makes you think that part is necessary for the article?

Did tetsuya nomura even mention that it was similar to dirge of Cerberus? If he did i suggest you say that, but this sounds like a fan boy is simply comparing another ff game with this one.

I understand you guys saying that its system is similar to Kingdom hearts 2, but the part by saying its similar to dirge of Cerberus simply because it has third person shooting elements is really stupid.

third person shooting games all look similar, why only mention Dirge of Cerberus?

what if someone never even played dirge of Cerberus, how would stating dirge of Cerberus in this article help the person?Haseo445 (talk) 16:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to mention...

just to let you guys know i changed Noctis' description a bit. It said he had silver dark blue hair, i found it hard to see any silver in his hair, so i simply left it as "dark blue"Haseo445 (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)