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The 'Avon' Debate

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I note that a user has changed 'Gloucester' to 'Avon'. I am going to alter the county to 'South Gloucestershire', after checking with the Boundary Commission's own report on the Filton and Bradley Stoke seat.

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They call the file "Avon", but in the first paragraph state -

The Commission noted that since their last ::review of parliamentary constituencies, ::the county of Avon had been abolished and replaced by four unitary authorities.

They then go on to say

They also noted that, in terms of the rules governing the conduct of reviews of parliamentary constituencies, each authority should be regarded as a separate county

I take this to mean that 'Avon' can not be validly called the county of which Filton and Bradley Stoke constituency is a part, but will choose South Gloucestershire. It is worth quoting the report again..

The Commission decided that the existing Northavon CC should be reduced in size and contain only fifteen wards. They noted that the name related to the former District of Northavon, which had been abolished in 1996.

I am aware, form reading the Wiki articles on such issues, that this can be a tricky subject, but I understand the case to be Avon has been abolished, and this constituency is within [South] Gloucestershire.

doktorb | words 18:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Ralbegen, Regarding your "Don't need external links" change, I'm not sure I understand. At the moment these two candidates cannot have pages on Wikipedia due to the notability guidelines for politicians, which is something I discussed with Dreamy_Jazz when I started a page for Mhairi Threlfall. I kind of understand that position, as you will end up with loads of useless pages over the years. However, Wikipedia is supposed to provide people with information, and at the moment, by removing these outbound links, it unfairly provides readers with information on the Incumbent MP (as they are currently deemed notable), and (in most cases) no information on the other candidates. Considering voters are supposed to make an informed choice on their candidates, do you have any ideas on where this information should go? -- Craig.francis (talk) 11:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Information about non-notable candidates can go on the candidate's own website, and on their election materials, for example. Wikipedia is not for promoting candidates. Ralbegen (talk) 12:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And that's what has been done. These two candidates do have their own websites. All I'm doing is providing links to those resources (not exactly promoting, as all candidates are treated equally), so voters in the area (I am one) can easily find details on all of their candidates, rather than limit that information to the current MP, and someone who was mentioned in a minor book (Who's Who 2008). Personally I'd rather Wikipedia allow candidates to have temporary pages (ones which can be marked as such, and automatically deleted a few months after the election), so there can be some neutral information, describing what those candidates have done, but that's unlikely to happen any time soon. As a temporary solution, external links should work, ones that are clearly marked as such (with the external-link icon), and use Nofollow on them (no search engine ranking advantage) Craig.francis (talk) 15:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with standards for notability, which are met by an MP and an AM, who are linked from this page. Being a candidate doesn't meet the threshold for inclusion with an article. WP:NPOL and the WP:GNG are guidance on these. This article is about the Filton and Bradley Stoke constituency. If you want to get more input, you could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom. Ralbegen (talk) 15:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression that Louise Bloom had a page because of the Bibliography. In comparison Mhairi Threlfall is an elected Councillor for Bristol City Council, which I originally assumed was being a member of a "sub-national" office (why I started with the draft page); but as Dreamy_Jazz pointed out, "Local/city councillors are below MPs and so are below sub-national", so that's not consistent, as Louise Bloom was a Additional Member (not an Assembly Member) of the London Assembly in 2002, so maybe her page should be deleted (which seems the wrong way to go, but if there are rules). Anyway, thanks for the pointer about the talk page, I'll see what I can find out there. Craig.francis (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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