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Oldest and youngest competitors

This is an encyclopedia. The qualification is directly related to the athletes competing so hence needs to be included. Also this age this trivial which we are not allowed to include.
Sorry but other articles from other sports I listed above and Figure skating at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Men's singles or Figure skating at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Men's singles doesn't have qualification section. I'm removing them because we have main article. If there is a rule about that please write there. --Berfu (talk) 21:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am new here so I'm not aware of any rules. I added the qualification section because it has directly to do with who is competing. Without it how would the reader know why a specific athlete participated? I'm okay with shortening the section if needed. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency of language/format

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We are currently inconsistent with the other olympic figure skating pages (see Pairs Skating & Team Skating). All the other figure skating articles use American English exclusively (program vs. programme), and use a specific consistent layout for their record holding tables. This article has both been changed multiple times from American to British English, and has had the table re-arranged from the consistent layout into a different layout (skater-based, not program-based.) I propose that we need to stick to the same standard layout and language usage that is consistent across all figure skating articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.104.244.6 (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. North American English should be used as the Sochi 2014 and ISU websites use it. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree as well. It is spelled "program" by the ISU and the Sochi 2014 official website. I'm editing it. ErisDysnomia (talk) 12:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First see OSE.
Secondly if this is the case then hte dates have to use ENGVAR fdor conssitency too.(Lihaas (talk) 17:49, 14 February 2014 (UTC)).[reply]

Deductions and music

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Isn't the minus sign next to the deduction points kind of unnecessary? I've checked some articles of other skating competitions and the deductions are just marked as 2.00 or 2. A deduction seems clear enough to me without the added sign.

The inclusion of the music chosen by the skaters also seems unnecessary to me since the information isn’t mentioned in the official results and if you include that where do you stop? Do you also include the name of their coach and their age? Furthermore, the information is available on each skater's personal articles. ErisDysnomia (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thats from the Sochi2014 site
Ditto.(Lihaas (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2014 (UTC)).[reply]
That's not consistent with the previous articles about figure skating competitions, though, and ditto for the music. Shouldn't the informations be consistent throughout all figure skating articles? ErisDysnomia (talk) 23:04, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bold score

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The total score in bold is an easy indicate/differentiator as it is [oddly] BEFORE the additions. (even in the previous sections(Lihaas (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2014 (UTC)).[reply]

WP:OSE is not a reason to simply keep the same format for the sake of it. WP can change. Citing "because it was this before we should keep it this way" is no t a valid point in these cdiscussions(Lihaas (talk) 17:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)).[reply]
I am not deleting the information/scores/data, I am just simply unhighlighting it. Note that the scores are already there and they don't need to be highlighted (see WP:KISS). Furthermore, they are not in the top three ranking so they don't need to be highlighted. To keep it simple (and improving the previous table format of the 2010 Winter Olympics), only highlight the medalist figure skaters.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 18:03, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You havent suggested how this is KISS? That syas ikeep it short and simpkle, yet there is nothing added. The medalists get highlighted with the medal tag in the left hand box. Final score need to be differentiated from the other scored. Of which there are three listed, and it is in the non-conventional manner of having the final on the lef tinstead of right.(Lihaas (talk) 18:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)).[reply]
If that is the case of having medal tags in the left side of the table, then let's not bold the scores at all. I simply don't see any reason to bold the scores. That is why we have header columns to show what they are supposed to be. And that's KISS since we keep it simply formatted.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 18:21, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Keep rules and procedure pages simple and short, or else people will not read them". Wheres the addition of a complex manner? Nothing is added to the presentation to distract
Don t get the logic train behind : "If that is the case of having medal tags in the left side of the table, then let's not bold the scores at all." I dont follow.
As said above already, we are highlighting the seperate final tally from the addition of the other final tallies. (there are different issues in this table) . Further, it is in the non-conventional form of the final total, hence it is harder to read.(Lihaas (talk) 18:29, 14 February 2014 (UTC)).[reply]
I am not pertaining to the difficulty to read of not bolding the scores, its keeping everything simple. I think everyone can understand the table from its current set-up, with or without bolding the scores (much of the people can understand that the scores in the total row are the total scores). That's why I am reiterating that we should not bold it since it doesn't really add something more to the table, it's just aesthetics.
Are you comfortable of asking someone to help us sort this out? Just to bring a consensus? I think we can't close this issue if the only the two of us will be discussing .--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 18:35, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should aim to keep the various results pages from the different figure skating events in Sochi as consistent as possible. Currently, the team and pairs results pages look completely identical in formatting. Men's is the standout - so we should format Men's to match the others, for a consistent and predictable user experience. That would mean no bold scores of any kind - merely the medal icon to highlight the winners. And yes, all of the results pages always list the main score first - this is not confusing, as it is the main score, showing up first, in a consistent manner. 12.104.244.6 (talk) 19:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC) J[reply]
There you go. But, I think we should follow this format in the men's article. This article is well formatted, so I think we should follow this one. Just minor additions to those articles to provide consistency.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 19:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Is sorting total score on the left typical for figure skating articles? It's atypical for sport results presentation in general and, at least in my case, requires a double take to figure out what is what. -- Lejman (talk) 20:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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