Talk:Ferrer (surname)/Archive 1

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I put on a No original research tag on the page. All unreferenced additions should be deleted.--Celtus (talk) 11:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

References

There is a problem with a couple of the refs inserted by User:StuartStewart:

• http://p1ym.us/FAmily%20History%20FHE.ppt#259,1,Stewart is suppost to prove the the "Ferrer family has a longstanding tradition of intermarriage with the Stewart clan" Problem is it looks like original research, someone's family tree or something. Notice the majority of the images in the ref are ripped of Wikipedia.

• http://www.tulollevas.com/informacion_apellidos.php/id/11 & http://heraldicahispana.com/ApA/ferrer-freire.htm are suppose to prove that Ferrer "although the Catalan name is, in fact, of English origin". The problem here is the links are to Spanish language sites, and the tulollevas.com link seems to be a site where you can create a username and add information, much like a wiki. The heraldicahispana.com ref is about heraldry not strickly surnames. So the Ferrer who once registered a coat of arms may well have been English, it certainly doesn't mean all Spanish Ferrers descend from the man who once had that coat of arms. So i think its a total misinterpretation.

I agree with the concerns of the poster above: that it looks like this article is portraying one English medieval family as being the origin of all Ferrers. Ferrer simply means "smith", a very common occupational name (and also the most common Catalan surname).--Celtus (talk) 06:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ferrer (Family)

Jeanarmand in his/her first 3 edits to Wikipedia has split this article and made a carbon copy at Ferrer (Family) in order to dodge a content dispute. I've redirected it here (Ferrer (surname).--Celtus (talk) 07:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

This article is profundely erroneous. The name of Ferrer is not of a single English (Norman) origin. It is a very simple latin-deridatived name, wich has appeared simultaneously in many countries. In Spain, in particulary in Catalonia, one can observe that the Ferrer name appeared in iron-producing areas (such as Vallespir) since the very end of XIIth century, well before any emigration from England ! 82.242.236.21 14:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit) : One anonymous user, StuartStewart keeps posting this nonsense of "English Ferrers" in Spain in every article related to the subject. This non-sourced statements (of course - I wonder where he can find references for that !). I suspect a confusion between a very limited emigration from England and a genealogical legend uses by some spanish families to justify their nobility by refering at the prestigious de Ferrers family. It is a very common trick used by faimlies of common origin in the modern times, such as the Colbert, burgess from Reims, pretending descent from scottish nobility. 82.242.236.21 14:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

English origin of the word Ferrer.

Are you really sure "Ferrer" is a word considered to be of english origin? Are you sure entirely sure the sources have you used to reach that conclusion are credible? In my view, being Catalan a Latin daughter language (which word was Faber) and having the meaning of an occupattion ( as Smith in English) would probably mean that the word was in use much before in Catalonia evolved from latin "faber" than Normand invasion of England in 1066. http://www.surnames.org/cognoms/ferrer.htm In tranlation to english of the first lines says: "Ferrer: origin and meaning. The Ferrer surname comes of the Smith job, which comes of the latin "Ferrum". This kind of nouns, which make reference to an occupattion are very abundant in Catalonia because they had a great importance to individualize the people, especially in very few populated areas or villages" It is also said in http://cognoms.upf.edu/mes-sobre-els-cognoms-del-projecte/ that Ferrer was the most common Surname in Barcelona by 1389, stating that an britishmen bringing to the area the surname with him (e.g. William Stewart Ferrer) would probably not produced such offspring in catalonia, which leads me to believe in the Catalan own origin of the word (where is also more common). 62.83.163.62 (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the above comment. I have serious reservations about the name being of English origin, and think that is the Spanish version of an English myth which purports that Farrar (which is an occupational name) is derivative of Ferrers a locational name of Norman origin.

While at it I intend to delete the section labeled Philipinnes as it is not relevant and is personal.Oldperson (talk) 20:16, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Wakowako I abhor edit wars. So let's resolve this here. What source do you have that says that Ferrer is a derivative or a version of a smith?. A millwright works the wood felled by a lumberjack. A millwright is not a version or derivative of a lumberjack. The Latin stem of ferrer is ferro, which is iron. A ferrer makes iron. A smith works with iron. There is a difference. There are many sources for things, especially those of ancient origin, that are ill conceived and simply wrong. I have been studying the subject since 1964 and have found no respectable source for the assertion. I have encountered printed opinions though. And until something can be proven, and not simply a printed opinion,but proven then the notion is not valid.Oldperson (talk) 15:12, 19 September 2019 (UTC) @Wakowako: I told you that I am not going to get into a revert war. Following WP guidelines I am taking this discussion to the talk page.Ferrer (according to your books) shares a common origin with Smith, but it is not a variation of the word. There is a difference between sharing a common origin, and a variation. The root of the name Ferrer is ferro (latin for Iron). Ferro is not the root of the name Smith. The word [smith]

comes directly from Old Frisian and is closely related to words in old Norse, old Danish and early Germanic (all variants of smit, smid, smitte, etc.) It originally meant a skilled worker. Later it meant specifically anyone who worked with metal.

Ferrer and smith have a common origin, that is working with iron, however one is not a variation of the other. So please self revert your entry. ThanksOldperson (talk) 16:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

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