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August 15, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
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Value

Is this the most expensive car in the World? - Culnacréann 20:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It depends what you count as a car. I don't know how much goes into the car, but Ferrari spends about US$440 000 000 on it's Formula One team each year. The Bugatti Veyron costs about US$1 500 000, and that's the most expensive production car (available to buy). I would guess that there have been more expensive road legal cars produced (probably for Hassanal Bolkiah, Sultan of Brunei), but this is the most expensive road car I actually know of. James086^{Talk | Email} 02:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article

This article meets all of the GA criteria and I enjoyed reading it. Good work! Johnfos 11:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Steering Wheel

"The P4/5 uses the 6 speed semi-automatic transmission of the Enzo but instead of paddles behind the wheel, it has Formula One style, steering wheel mounted shift buttons." Formula One cars use paddles as well. I don't think they could fit more buttons on the front of one. Counterfit 20:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glickenhaus P 3/4 taken to Pininfarina for inspration.

The P4 taken to Pininfarina by Mr Glickenhaus to inspire them to create the body of P4/5 was a David Piper P4 replica with a Ferrari 312 F1 engine chassis number 0003 that Mr Glickenhaus claims is the genuine Ferrari 0846 that burned at Le Mans 1967, the chassis of which was subsequently discarded to the Ferrari scrapyard, as Ferrari state themselves. All proof that Mr Glickenhaus has provided that this car is the genuine 0846 has been disproved, but more importantly it was never proved the chassis was 0846. Now there is substantial photographic evidence of the real Ferrari 0846 at Daytona 1967 and Le Mans 1967 which proves Mr Glickenhaus's chassis is not the real 0846. The page has therefore been edited to reflect these facts. Miurasvjota (talk) 01:54, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The single 2 line paragraph below written by or on behalf of Mr Glickenhaus is not true. The chassis of Ferrari 0846 was discarded to the Ferrari scrapyard after burning at Le Mans 1967 and was never used again. It was not modified as has been said below. Mr Glickenhaus claims that he has legal identity of 0846 but Ferrari cancelled this number. Ferrari and Ing. Forghieri, who stated it is a "falsa P4" on the 10th May, 2016, do not accept Mr Glickenhaus's P4 replica made by David Piper as 0846.Miurasvjota (talk) 07:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ferrari very clearly in writing confirmed that 0846's original P 3/4 chassis had "Eventual use" after LeMans 67. That eventual use included additional modifications to it's original chassis. The legal identity of 1967 Ferrari P 3/4 0846 has been accepted by US and Italian Customs and Motor Vehicle authorities.

"...falsa P4 di Glickenhaus...." Ing. Mauro Forghieri - Designer of Ferrari 330 P3/P4 0846.

Mr Glickenhaus is back on Wikipedia perpetuating the misinformation that the P4 replica he bought from David Piper is the long lost genuine Ferrari 0846 despite there now being period photographs of the real Ferrari 0846 that show the Glickenhaus chassis to be completely different proving it is not 0846. The designer of the real 0846 Ing. Forghieri has also stated on the 10th of May, 2016 that the Glickenhaus car is a "falsa P4" fake P4. See below:

After considering information and pictures sent to him of the DP0003 Glickenhaus chassis and cylinder block stampings, Ing. Mauro Forghieri, designer/creator at Ferrari of the real 330 P3/P4 #0846, sent me an email on 10th May, 2016, the content of which, in his words in Italian, is as follows below. Scroll down for English translation:

"Gent.mo Sig. Robertson Io penso che lei sia il maggiore esperto di P4 esistente.La serie di foto che mi ha inviato mi hanno fatto enorme piacere, in particolare quella della 412 s/n854 prima nuda e poi in restauro.Le devo comunque fare osservare che sia la vettura di Glinkenhaus che la vera P4 s/n 0858 non hanno il tubo da lei indicato con le frecce rosse nella foto n 4(412 P s/n0854 ) mentre hanno il tubo che lei indica sempre con le frecce nella foto n 3(dp3 arrows).Questo diversa soluzione è dovuta alle differenze tra motore 412 e 330.La parte posteriore del telaio della falsa P4 di Glinkenhaus è stata fatta nuova e questi particolari non potevano sfuggire ai carrozzieri, che avevano già costruito vere P4.E' nella parte anteriore che non è stata rifatta, che mi sembra sia la maggiore distanza dal vero.Lei dimostra comunque che la vettura di Glinkenhaus non è una P4 originale con le sue foto relative al motore,ed inoltre la posizione della stessa Ferrari, che ha negato il numero a cui è molto affezzionato Glinkenhaus,e la mia stessa convinzione negativa e quanto asserito da altri non dovrebbe fare credere che questa vettura possa essere considerata originale.Io non sono potuto andare in Sicilia per motivi di salute e di lavoro, ma sarò a Montecarlo.Ho cercato di fare chiarezza sui due tipi di telaio per evitarle commenti e problematiche. Grazie per tutto con infinite cordialità e rispetto Mauro Forghieri"

Gabriele Longoni very kindly translated Ing. Forghieri's above email which is as below:

"Dearest Mr.Robertson

I believe you are the biggest P4 expert living nowadays.

I really liked the set of pictures you sent, especially the one about 412 s/n0854 bare chassis and during restoration.

Please note, however, that both Glickenhaus’ car and the real P4 #0858 don’t have the tube you pointed with red arrows on picture n°4 (412P s/n0854) while they have the tube you point with arrows on picture n°3 (dp3 arrows).

This different configuration is because of the differences between a 412 and a 330 engine.

The rear portion of Glickenhaus’ fake P4 is completely new and these details couldn’t have been missed by coachbuilders that built real P4s.

I believe that the biggest differences from a real one are in the front section.

You, with those engine pictures, are proving that Glickenhaus’ car is not a real P4; and Ferrari’s belief too is proving it, because they refuse the number that Glickenhaus loves most; my personal negative belief then and what others said should make anyone believe that this car is original.

I could not travel to Sicily due to health and work issues, but I will go to Montecarlo.

I tried to make things more clear to avoid further problems to you.

Thanks for everything, respectfully and with the best regards.

Mauro Forghieri" Miurasvjota (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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