Talk:Feminista Jones

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Is the use of the birth name appropriate?

I added it with this edit on August 1st. It was reverted by Justicepsych on Aug. 10, restored by IronGargoyle on August 11, then reverted by a non-logged editor (96.240.10.12 (talk · contribs)) on August 25th. I restored it.

In his restoration on August 11, IronGargoyle said misunderstanding of BLPNAME; information is cited to a reliable source and article subject is not a BLP1E candidate. I agree.

On the other hand, in his reversion of August 10, Justicepsych said Removed given name as use of pseudonym is partially a matter of safety and though in public record, need not be prominently accessible or advertised. Also removed outdated job description and associated references. On August 25th, the editor at 96.240.10.12 said ones writes and publishes under a pseudonym to protect her privacy and the privacy of her mental health clients. Is there really a need to state her legal name?

I did a Google search and there are enough reliable sources (and some non-reliable ones) that include the real name that the privacy argument is weakened. I see this situation similar to Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, or for that matter many other public figures: They all had good reasons to use their new names, but since the birth name was very much "out there" it is reasonable to include it here.

Now, if there were some public evidence that having her real name here would cause her harm, then I might be swayed to change my mind.

If she or her agent or some other credible authority supplies WP:OTRS with non-public evidence that either using her name violates our policies or those of the foundation, or that it's presence is causing her harm, then I would expect an OTRS or other functionary to remove it, revision-delete the intermediate edits, and put something in the edit summary like "do not restore per OTRS ticket #XYZ" or some such and that would be the end of the discussion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:25, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nominate for deletion

Delete: A myriad of problems and no proven notability, I saw we scrap this one. --Volvlogia (talk) 02:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Post-AfD Discussion

I created an AfD discussion for this article and have since changed my mind and no longer believe Jones doesn't meet notability. However the issues with this article are plentiful and I will state each issue I had with the article that led me to believe what I thought:

This article is problematic in several aspects concerning [[WP:BIO]. To begin with, several parts of the article do not meet the encyclopedic tone expected from a Wikipedia article. These sections either sound promotional, overly informal, or lack citation where needed. This issue is further exacerbated by the inappropriate usage and selection of references throughout the article.

Among the references, the first one [1] includes two articles that offer only a single quote from Jones in each, which is insufficient to establish notability. Moreover, the second source [2] is written by a lifelong friend of the subject, further highlighting the potential for bias. Numerous other references come from local news outlets that merely interview her or mention her tweets and works [3][4][5][6][14][20][22]. As a result, these references fail to qualify as secondary sources, which are necessary for establishing notability according to WP:BIO. Additionally, some of the cited references are self-published articles [11][16], search queries [8][12][13], or portfolios written by Jones herself [15]. Two of these references are dead links [7][9].

However there are sources that can be used to support Jones' inclusion on Wikipedia after looking into it further. This article could be improved vastly and I will do my part while hoping someone else from the community carries it on so the article has a better place on this platform. Xelapilled (talk) 20:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]