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  • A noteworthy person, to be sure, but the body doesn't justify calling her "and philanthropist"
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 23:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lede should be expanded into about two paragraphs for the length of the article.
 Done — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 16:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first two one-paragraph sections should likely be a single section.
 Not done Moved to parts into another new section.--A21sauce (talk) 21:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During the 1950s, Hamer attended several annual conferences of the Regional Council of Negro Leadership (RCNL) in the all-black town of Mound Bayou, Mississippi" Source?
 Done — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 12:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On August 23, 1962, Rev. James Bevel, an organizer for the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and an associate of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., gave a sermon in Ruleville, Mississippi. He followed it with an appeal to those assembled to register to vote.... Hamer was the first volunteer to respond to Bevel's call." Sourcing?
 Done - Removed copyyrighted material quote refers to. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 21:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with other Bevel volunteers to" Strange phrasing
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 21:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Her courage and leadership in Indianola came to the attention of SNCC organizer Bob Moses. He dispatched Charles McLaurin from SNCC to find "the lady who sings the hymns". McLaurin found and recruited Hamer, and though she remained based in Mississippi, she began traveling around the South doing activist work for the organization." Sources, please, especially for that direct quote.
 DoneA21sauce (talk) 19:54, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Released on June 12, Hamer needed more than a month to recover... " Whole paragraph could use sourcing.
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 19:54, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "However, many television networks ran Hamer's speech unedited on their late news programs. The Credentials Committee received thousands of calls and letters in support of the Freedom Democrats." Source?
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 20:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Johnson then dispatched several trusted Democratic Party operatives to attempt to negotiate with the Freedom Democrats, including Senator Hubert Humphrey (who was campaigning for the Vice-Presidential nomination), Walter Mondale, and Walter Reuther, as well as J. Edgar Hoover. They suggested a compromise which would give the MFDP two non-voting seats in exchange for other concessions, and secured the endorsement of Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference for the plan. But when Humphrey outlined the plan, saying that his position on the ticket was at stake, Hamer, invoking her Christian beliefs, sharply rebuked him:" You source the quote, but not the other details.
 Not done
  • Rewrite/copy edit Civil rights activism section.
  • "In 1964 and 1965 Hamer ran for Congress, but lost." She ran twice? When was the actual election?
 Done — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 17:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the nutritional needs of the America's most disenfranchised peoples" of the America's?
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 21:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and a re-training" No need for the "a"
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 21:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sharecropping was the most common form of post-slavery activity and income in the South." Source that.
  • Link James Eastland
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 20:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hamer was not happy with this motive so she pioneered the Freedom Farm, an attempt to redistribute economic power across groups and to solidify an economic standing amongst African-Americans." Source?
 Done — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 11:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Through her main tactic of using Christian love to foster change, Fannie Lou often referenced the Book of Acts in the Bible to describe her motives: “All who believed were together and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute their possessions to all, as any had need (2:44-45).” Her dream was for there to be no division among peoples and for the Black lower class to be able to stand on their own." Yet more unsourced text.
  • " not afford to house the land any longer." House? Is that really the right word?
 Done — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 11:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Honorary Degree of Doctor of Humanities from Tougaloo College and Shaw University," Sources?
 Done and degree from Shaw fixed.--A21sauce (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On October 6, 2012 (the 95th anniversary of Hamer's birth), a musical written by Felicia Hunter — titled Fannie Lou — was premiered in New York City." No external links in article text.
 Done--A21sauce (talk) 20:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Legacy section, every item needs a source, and some of these may well not be notable enough for inclusion.
 Done though I think we could delete some items, like the children's book, as there must be several out there on her.--A21sauce (talk) 21:02, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 26, "ASCH, CHRIS MYERS" Don't all-caps author names just because the link does.
 Done Fixed all instances.--A21sauce (talk) 21:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "New York Times", "No, this needs "the" definite article before it. Also needs accessdate.
 Done
  • You've got at least a few of your cited sources in "further reading" at this point. Separate those out under a "Works Cited" or something.
  • The Wikiquote link goes in the EL section, not the See Also.

 Done--Fishlandia (talk) 14:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • " In Freedomways 5, 1965: 231–242." Something went wrong here.
 Done; link was to logged-in page at a school library (?); changed source. Fishlandia (talk) 13:56, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 22 needs an ISBN
 Done; needed a page number too, so I replaced source--13:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, that's the specific issues worth pointing out, now let's talk generally:

  • The article is choppy in places, lots of short paragraphs.
  • It could use a general copy-edit.
  • Check that you're sourcing your facts. I found a lot of unsatisfactorily-cited sections above, so do a general read-through for where you need to bring in more citations.

I'm going to fail this article for now, but please renominate it when these issues are addressed and it has received a thorough copy-edit for flow. Courcelles

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