Talk:Falsehood in War-Time

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Notability

This book currently failsto satisfy WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK, at least based on the eleven current footnotes, which don't appear to establish notability. NBOOK #1 is 50% satisfied, based on note 7, referring to Morelli's book, which is a full-length treatment of Ponsnoby's book and ideas. Wrt the other footnotes, my reading of their applicability to notability is as follows:

yes: 7 (but insufficient on its own to establish notability)
no: 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 11

Grouping them by applicability, we have:

YES
- Note 7 is an in-depth treatment of Ponsonby's book; this very clearly fits in WP:BOOKCRIT #1, and we only need one more like this to establish NBOOK notability.
NO
- refer to the book itself (1, 4, 5, 9);
- are not INDEPENDENT (note 8, also from Anne Morelli's book, from which dozens or hundreds of notes about Ponsonby's could be found)
- are dead links (2, 3)
- appear to be passing mentions:
  - note 6 (Horne 2001), supposedly about the reaction of the German Foreign Ministry to translating the book, but no url is given. I suspect this is a minor passing mention about a translation, as it does not rate a footnote in that book: here is page 548, containing all the footnotes for pages 373-375, but nothing about the German Foreign Ministry, or translations is listed there.
  - Note 10, which is from Gregory (2009) and contains a two-paragraph quote from Ponsonsby, and two paragraphs of commentary on it on pages 43-44; this fails BOOKCRIT #1.
- no mention?: Note 11 is found in the § Quotations section, and cites "Presidents, Battles, and Must-See Civil War Destinations: Exploring a Kentucky Divided" (or at Google id IR7UDwAAQBAJ) without giving a page number. I don't see what the connection is between this book and Ponsonby's. Gregory (2009) is available in full-text (searchable/readable) from Hoopla Digital; I browsed/searched around, and didn't find anything useful.

It's possible additional sources could be found to fulfill BOOKCRIT #1; try some of these:

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

but if not, this article should be submitted to Afd. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The timing of trying to remove this makes it very suspect, the book is as relevant as seldom before. It's part of a historical record that whole governments would want to see erased from awareness.

That alone should make it notable, it's creepy how a very obvious commercial poweruser, editing across 9 different languages, is requesting removal of it. 2003:F8:740:E900:6853:ABE:C099:F834 (talk) 16:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]