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Reviewer: ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 05:17, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Headings
[edit]Before actually reviewing, I see several problems with the headings. "Background and composition" contains way too much information about other things, such as live performances. The next section is also titled "composition..." I'm not really sure how to explain what should be changed, I'd fix it up myself, but I'm not sure that's allowed. Maybe you could split the sections up a bit into:
Background and release
Composition
Reception and chart performance
Music video
Charts
Release history
References
And there's also two references titles, remove one.
I will review the whole article after these main headlines are fixed up. :) ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 16:11, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- This is a good suggestion. However I don't think it would work. The Composition is paired with the reception because there is little about the composition. If you read the material, you could see that most reviewers just described it in their reviews, and it would be very small and impossible if split up. Also, reception includes two parts, the critical and commercial, and commercial reception is also known as chart performance. Live performances also do not warrant their own section, thus is why it is in the background as part of promotion. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 17:38, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- If you're sure you can't find anything else to make those sections chunkier, it's all good. With that said there, all that I can see now is just the two reference sections, and chart performance should be under it's own heading. ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 23:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- I searched for about two hours straight when expanding the article and could not find anymore information. Fixing the double ref heading, and I will if you insist, but usually the commercial reception is combined with the critical in such a small bit of info (i.e. Bigger (Justin Bieber song), and Ice Cream Freeze (Let's Chill)). Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 03:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Alright, that's fine. Yeah, that is true, but that content is not all reception, it also has composition in it, so it looks a bit messy. Oh, and also, couldn't you add a "credits and personnel" section as well? I'm sure that wouldn't be hard to find. ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 03:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- But the composition is really not separate from the critical reception except for a sentence. I also do not have the liner notes for the album to add all credits, and in a quick search could not find them. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 04:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- I still think you should do it anyway. I added the credits for you. I just went on a fansite and copied it from the album scans. Referenced it accordingly. :) ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 04:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Also, I just noticed there is no track listings section. I'm sure you can add one of those with ease. Digital download, at least. ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 04:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I also added the track listing. So there are two sentences that are actual omposition only. Then there are just a few for the critical and the little sec. on the commercial. You want me to split all this up? Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 05:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Also, I just noticed there is no track listings section. I'm sure you can add one of those with ease. Digital download, at least. ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 04:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- I still think you should do it anyway. I added the credits for you. I just went on a fansite and copied it from the album scans. Referenced it accordingly. :) ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 04:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- But the composition is really not separate from the critical reception except for a sentence. I also do not have the liner notes for the album to add all credits, and in a quick search could not find them. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 04:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Alright, that's fine. Yeah, that is true, but that content is not all reception, it also has composition in it, so it looks a bit messy. Oh, and also, couldn't you add a "credits and personnel" section as well? I'm sure that wouldn't be hard to find. ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 03:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- I searched for about two hours straight when expanding the article and could not find anymore information. Fixing the double ref heading, and I will if you insist, but usually the commercial reception is combined with the critical in such a small bit of info (i.e. Bigger (Justin Bieber song), and Ice Cream Freeze (Let's Chill)). Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 03:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
No problem. I'm not really sure. I just feel like everything's in the article, it just needs some reorganization. I think the part about the performances should be moved to the lead, as it doesn't fit in a background and release section at all. After that, that section is fine. Just having the chart performance under it's own header would make that part fine as well. But now that I think about it, about the live performance, the lead mentions dancing with the stars performance, so if you got sources or something, I'm sure you could expand and make a section for live performances. But if not, that's fine, it could work fine in the lead. After that, I think I'd be pretty good. I don't think there will be much things left for the actual reviewing. (LOL) xD ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 05:08, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Per WP:LEAD, it is supposed to summarize all aspects, the performances are a main component, and should be intergrated into the article. I barely found a reference to support the DTWS performance period, I have exhausted resources trying to find information for this article. I did it because you suggested but "Background" would seem better as release is techincally kind of background and performances could fall under that because that is promotion for release which is background. The reason this reorganization seems iffy is because while it is a lot of information it is just bits and pieces of lots of different aspects, and if you were to separate them, it would be choppy and disintegrated. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 05:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- At least separate the chart performance section, and I will begin the review. I probably won't get to it until later today (tomorrow if you prefer, it's past midnight here so... :P) because I think I should get to bed now. I'll talk to you later! Do what you can. But don't stress too much over it! ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 05:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks!Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 05:28, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- At least separate the chart performance section, and I will begin the review. I probably won't get to it until later today (tomorrow if you prefer, it's past midnight here so... :P) because I think I should get to bed now. I'll talk to you later! Do what you can. But don't stress too much over it! ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 05:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Per WP:LEAD, it is supposed to summarize all aspects, the performances are a main component, and should be intergrated into the article. I barely found a reference to support the DTWS performance period, I have exhausted resources trying to find information for this article. I did it because you suggested but "Background" would seem better as release is techincally kind of background and performances could fall under that because that is promotion for release which is background. The reason this reorganization seems iffy is because while it is a lot of information it is just bits and pieces of lots of different aspects, and if you were to separate them, it would be choppy and disintegrated. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 05:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Now that that is all situated, I can review the actual content of the article. :)
Lead
[edit]- The lead is a bit short, isn't it? Maybe you should base it off of how Naturally (Selena Gomez & the Scene song) is. Just do what you can really.
- It's really note much to add....its not as big as Naturally. However I did notice I forgot stuff from the music video and added that. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 01:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Infobox
[edit]- Maybe add an alt to the cover. I don't think it's necessary, but it wouldn't hurt.
- Done
- Also, the infobox says a time of 3:04, while the track listing says 3:05.
- Done. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 01:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Music video
[edit]- In the place it's in, it kind of messes up the track listing line in the header. Maybe you could fix that, if not, I don't think it's that much of a problem, just wanted to point it out.
- Well, if I make it smaller it's really no point in an image. If it is moved to the left, then it would mess up the actual words, so I think it may be good where it is at. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 01:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Track listing
[edit]- Replace the normal dash with "–" or "—". It just looks better. :P
- Done. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 01:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Release history
[edit]- Maybe you could expand on it a little? Any possible radio addon dates? If you could, also convert it to the way Ego looks.
- This is all I could fine, and it was not added to radio. What is in the release history and its style (if one is present at all) actually just depends on the editor and/or however the article is, because having a release history isn't even a requirement of WP:SONGS or MoS. Most of the time it is just to fill up the article. Candyo32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 01:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
I am passing the article. :) ΣПDiПG–STΛЯT 06:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)