Talk:Face the Music (British game show)

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Requested move 14 December 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:47, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Face the Music (TV programme) → Face the Music (UK TV programme) – Every type of program that airs on television is a "TV program" as it is the lowest common denominator. Currently, we have articles for Face the Music (New Zealand game show) and Face the Music (U.S. game show), both of which are game shows, but also "TV programs", which places the current article title as an insufficient disambiguation per WP:INCDAB. Per WP:NCTV, adding "UK" will sufficiently disambiguate it between the New Zealand and U.S. programs. Gonnym (talk) 21:33, 14 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 22:24, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Respectful oppose. While I agree a redirect should be created at Face the Music (UK TV programme), it has been long-standing practice under WP:NCTV to assume that "TV series/TV programme" and "game show" and "talk show" are all sufficiently naturally disambiguated from each other that additional "by year" or "by country" dismabiguation is unnecessary. Generically, "game shows" and "talk shows" are colloquially referred to as "TV series" and "TV programs", but under WP:NCTV each of these is pretty clearly defined, so additional disambiguation between/among these in not needed. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:20, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - from an external reader's perspective, one who isn't versed in the intricacies of our naming conventions, Gonnym is correct. Using this more clear disambiguation meets more of the WP:CRITERIA than does the status quo. I disagree with IJBall's claim about "long-standing practice" (being that I've been a participant in this naming convention from its creation). We very often use country/year disambiguation to more clearly distinguish between (TV series) and (TV program), and likewise between game show/talk show and series and programs. -- Netoholic @ 04:47, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, we do use year/country disambig. to distinguish between "TV series" vs. "TV program", that's true – those two are too similar not to. But it is also true that we generally don't do that for either of these vs. "game show" or "talk show" – see for example, Harry (disambiguation) as an example of this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - That actually is not an example of this, as "TV series" is not the lowest common denominator, so "TV series" and "Game show" or "Talk show" are distinguishable from each other, as none of them mean the same thing. --Gonnym (talk) 17:37, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per Netoholic. We need to see the external reader's perspective for the article. Proposed name seems accurate. Lorstaking (talk) 05:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the additional country distinguisher is helpful in this case, given the similarities -- Whats new?^(talk) 09:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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