Talk:FIDE rankings

Why does this article exist?

This article is merely a mirror of the FIDE lists and should be deleted. Peter Ballard (talk) 01:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it is hard to justify this article. Perhaps if the list was under FIDE or Elo rating system it would be OK. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 01:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

That would be even worse. At least here it's wasting space in an article no one needs to look at.

What would be meritorious, however, would be a historical list of the top 10. (I say top 10 because that's the most that could be fitted at one row per rating list). That would turn this article from a news article to an encyclopedia article. Peter Ballard (talk) 03:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Also consider List of FIDE chess world number ones and the highest-rated players list in Methods for comparing top chess players throughout history. Quale (talk) 04:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Those are more static. This changes every two months. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 03:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. If somebody is reading about one of the top grandmasters, he or she can follow the link to this page, which makes it easy to learn about any of the other current top grandmasters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.122.90 (talk) 05:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Separation of women and men

I don't see why this exists when the two actually aren't separated from playing. We might as well make separations based on nationality, as well. Just because no women are in the top 20 does not warrant making a new list for them. --173.3.154.230 (talk) 17:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

FIDE gives separate rankings. This article reflect that. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 17:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

What I don't understand is why http://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men shows women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.154.230 (talk) 17:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

There are two lists - one for all active players, another for women. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 18:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Pretty sexist if you ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.154.230 (talk) 23:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

That's the way it is, it doesn't have anything to do with Wikipedia. There are no "mens" events - women can play in them and earn unrestricted titles. There is also a women's world champion, a junior world champion, a senior world champion. They are all allowed to play in the main world championship. There are also titles for women: Woman Grandmaster and Woman International Master. Bubba73 ^{(You talkin' to me?)}, 00:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

See what I mean? Article should be deleted

See what I mean? I followed the link here and the rankings are a month out of date. This is what happens when articles get created which need to be constantly updated. All links to this article should instead be links to http://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men Adpete (talk) 05:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any point in linking to the FIDE website instead - Wikipedia is not a collection of links. You might want to do a wp:AFD for this article. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 05:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I reached here via the infobox at Hikaru Nakamura, which says "(No. 10 in the January 2011 FIDE World Rankings)". What I envisiage is removing the Wikipedia-link to FIDE World Rankings and instead have a footnote providing the FIDE top list as a reference. Adpete (talk) 06:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 06:53, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Junior ratings

As I write, Fabiano Caruana's rating is sufficient to put him number 1 in the Junior table. However, it should also therefore show him at number 18 in the main list, too. If Juniors are excluded from the main list, the article should reflect that. --Dweller (talk) 11:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Title

Shouldn't "World Rankings" in this title be devoid of capital letters? Toccata quarta (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I would agree. Looking at other sports there doesn't appear to be any consistent rule though. Most pages have "World Rankings" with the capitals Steveg922 (talk) 14:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC).

According to FIDE the correct term is FIDE Rating List. ANy reason we shouldn't move the article? 2A06:C701:4FE9:1A00:B988:25CA:C059:A92B (talk) 12:14, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Wesley So

Will people please stop adding Wesley So to the Juniors list, he is no longer a junior according to FIDE, and no longer listed among the top juniors in their ranking list: http://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=juniors Steveg922 (talk) 17:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Top girls

There are some players in the Top 20 girls rating list that I unlinked because they are neither WGM nor national/continental/world champions. The list is updated every month, so they may not stay there forever. I don't think being in the list stands for notability.Sophia91 (talk) 19:44, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Expanding tables

I am going to add several columns including age. Any objections?--Dixtosa (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I think that if someone wants to know the age all they have to do is click on the name or go to the FIDE website. Sophia91 (talk) 18:07, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, and if someone wants to check the ranking, they can go to the FIDE website. And if someone wants to learn something, they can go to Encyclopedia Britannica. Seriously now. Roweruiz (talk) 04:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Go for it. It's very useful. Roweruiz (talk) 04:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Dixtosa: Top players is transcluded to Portal:Chess. You need to be careful with the layout there.Guilherme Burn (talk) 12:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion for or against, but I am slightly biased towards the current cleaner look. Updating these tables every month can be a tedious chore, I don't know whether the editor who has been updating it recently, @Hrodvarsson:, does it with automated scripts or manually. I'd like to read his opinion on this before it's done: would it break his update scripts (if any) or make the work much harder, if he does it manually ? Fbergo (talk) 13:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Inflation

Today we have a jump in rating by around 100 point as opposed to 30-40 years ago. Also players say that today it's easier to build rating that it was in the past. It would be good to cover that. Maybe like average rating for top 5/10/20 in every decade and highest rating achieved in a given decade. 213.149.51.126 (talk) 16:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. Might this inflation be directly connected with the huge development and massive use of computer chess programs? (Stockfish, Alphazero and so on...) Another reason might be the fact that chess is played by many more players today, especially over the Internet via platforms such as chess.com, lichess etc. There may be a general increase of the Elo rating in the wide population, which then also reflects in the top players. Spirandola (talk) 11:05, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

This issue is discussed in Elo rating system#Ratings inflation and deflation and Comparison of top chess players throughout history, and I don't think the discussion should be duplicated in this article. Both articles could be linked here, while maintaining a neutral tone. Do not state that chess rating inflation over time is a certain fact, as there are reliable sources the point that it isn't, such as [1] (reference 29 from the Elo rating article). Fbergo (talk) 16:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

federation lists are wrong

The FIDE lists that are included here with averages of the federations' top ten players are wrong. I've written to them about this; for details, see the last email at the bottom of User:Joriki/FIDE discrepancies. Joriki (talk) 11:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Move from FIDE world rankings to FIDE Rating Lists

@A3811: please discuss these kind of moves first. This is a poor choice of name. If you look at the current sources, three of the five literally have "Chess rankings" in the title. The current title also violates WP:LOWERCASE, as articles are written in sentence case. Also, see WP:COMMONNAME, as the 'correct', often branded or sponsored name, is not what is used on Wikipedia. Greenman (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok, noted A3811 (talk) 15:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Incorrectly sourced information FIDE rankings

Hi @Canadianwarrior1:. Thanks for updating the figures. However, the recent changes you made to FIDE rankings are all incorrectly sourced. For example, for the open changes, the reference is correct, but you've left the access date as December, which is obviously impossible for a January update. For the women's ratings, the reference points to ratings from a specific date, none of which match what you've changed. Please ensure changes are correctly sourced. Greenman (talk) 21:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Lack of updates for top 20 girls

After several months of no updates, the rankings were updated for January 2024, however the girls rankings have still not been updated since the 1st October, now over 3 months ago. Readers interested in the subject will be met with out of date information, 3 world rankings list out of date. The fact that the entire rest of the article has been updated, but not this section is bizarre and could be seen as favoring male players over female ones by some readers. This practice is more understandable in usual months, when lists may be relatively similar to the previous month, but is especially noticeable in January, when the lists are changed significantly and thus the information given to readers will be increasingly out of date and incorrect. 92.40.214.121 (talk) 14:56, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Best performing countries bar charts...

What is the consensus on FIDE players in these bar charts?

I just updated, and can't see why FIDE players are excluded. I'm going to add them in as separate entries (the men's previously ascribed 1 FIDE player to the Russian total, but from what I can see, all the FIDE players are formerly Russian.

Is there any rhyme or reason behind this? Spike 'em (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)