Talk:Ezili Dantor

Protected

I've protected this page; nobody has every made a single comment on the talk page to support or contest any edits here, and at the very least one editor seems to be sticking links to their own website in. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 19:41, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 11 June 2017

Extended content

Èzili Dantò The most common depiction of Èzili Dantò (Dantor) is her vèvè sign which is a heart with a dagger going through it. Since the enslaved Africans were forced into Catholicism when they were kidnapped and brought to Haiti to work the plantations, they associated their divine African mother with the Catholic virgin Mary saint in the form of the Mater Salvatoris, Black Madonna with a child or the Black Madonna of Czestochowa. In Haitian Vodun, Èzili Dantò represents the warrior mother, the love principle, healer/nurturer and the feminine archetype, not a dead saint but a living energy; that irreducible essence of the African female ancestors who had exhibited a perpetually reoccurring creative, feminine warrior nature. Lwa of Motherhood, irreducible essence of the African warrior mother. Born The historical Èzili Dantò for the Haitian Revolution on August 14, 1791 is the Manbo Cecile Fatiman. Africa and Ayiti Haiti Venerated in Haiti Vodun, Haitian Vodou, Louisiana Vodou, African spirituality, African Culture Major shrine Sodo or Saut D'eau Haiti Attributes Heart with a dagger going through it. Post colonial, a Black woman holding a child, knife, jewelry, three silver rings, blue, red Patronage Haiti, love, healing, motherhood, protection from violence, protect the vulnerable, protector of children, calling on Èzili brings wealth, strength, courage, cleansing, vengeance, justice. Èzili Dantò (also spelled without the accent, since some sites won't take accents: Ezili with Danto or Erzili Dantor phonetically or, one old French spelling, "Erzulie Danthor") is the Petro nation aspect of the female Lwa, or Vodun warrior mother archetypes or consciousness in Haitian Vodun (Vodun). The Èzili Dantò (Ezili Danto) is a Lwa - the irreducible essence or spirit energy - which is the Black or African warrior mother energy: the archetype for love, protection, nurturing, motherhood, the warrior mother/goddess ,feminine, feminine principle, sisterhood, womenhood. Her male counterpart is the Ogun. Èzili Dantò is identified today in particular by the economic backbone of Haiti, the Madan Sara - the working mothers, women merchants, farmers and traders of Haiti. She is most commonly represented by her vèvè, which is the image of a dagger with a heart going through it and sometimes by image of the Black mother as depicted by the Mater Salvatoris Black Madonna made popular in Europe from copying the African worship of the original queen mothers on planet earth. Some of these images include Black Madonna of Częstochowa, the Santa Barbara Africana, as well as Our Lady of Lourdes, and Our Lady of Mount Carmel. The historical Èzili Dantò for the Haitian Revolution on August 14, 1791 is the Manbo Cecile Fatiman . Other examples of Èzili Dantò archetypes or consciousness during the Haiti Revolution include, the mystic, prophet and warrior mother, Grann Guiton, Sergeant Sanit Belé (Suzanne Bélair) and combatant mothers, Grann Abdaraya Toya (Victoria Montou) and Manman Defile (Marissainte Dédé Brazil) . Each, are famous mother warriors of Haiti. Defile, for instance, like Grann Toya, led her own regiment and fought in the indigenous army alongside the Haiti men to abolish slavery. Manman Defile is most famously known as the courageous one who braved a murderous mob at Pon Rouj to gather, like Aset did for Asar, like Isis did Horus, the mutilated body of Haiti's founding father, Janjak Desalin (Jean-Jacques Dessalines) after his assassination by the mulatto sons of France and gave him a proper burial. Another Èzili Dantò archetype, warrior general Anna Nzinga, the Queen warrior of Angola is immortalized in Haiti as Manbo Inan. The formidable warrior Queen Taytu Betul , empress of Ethiopia (1889–1913) and women who took up arms to fight colonialism and abolish slavery in Haiti are Èzili Dantò archetypes. Like Queen Anacaona, Cecile Fatiman, Grann Guitonn, Victoria "Toya" Montou, Marissainte "Defile" Dédé Brazil, Sanit Belè and the others, Ethiopian Queen Taytu Belul's "deeds at a critical moment in Ethiopian history not only saved Ethiopia from European colonization, but it also paved the way for the decolonization of Africa.” In Vodun epistemology and lexicon, Queen Nanny of the Maroons (c. 1686 – c. 1755), a National Jamaican hero would be an Èzili Dantò archetype or the warrior mother mèt tèt vibration manifested. References Worship The Èzili Dantò lwa- (spiritual archetype)- is associated with love, motherhood, life, healing, cleansing, justice, leadership, vengeance, fighting skills, the primordial womb of life, oceans, seas, waterfalls like Sodo , courage and backbone, tall trees, protection from violence, protection for the vulnerable. She's the protector of children, the vulnerable, working women and the wise market-women. The day for her worship is Tuesday. On July 16 each summer, to celebrate Èzili Dantò there are annual Haiti spiritual pilgrimages to the Sodo (Saut D'Eau) waterfall which coincides with Our Mother (Notre Dame - Our Lady of Mount Carmel) Catholic festivals. Èzili Dantò is also feasted during Bwa Kayiman week starting August 14 to August 22 for when the Haiti revolution started, as well as, on August 15th at Assumption , any day where the Mother of God is worshiped in the Abrahamic religions and on the solstice at Christmas Eve for mothering the new sun/child/year/rebirth/renewal. Calling on, or envisioning Èzili Dantò, is to envision freedom, love, wealth, luck, beauty, strength, magical power, vengeance, justice, retribution, Maat and balance. Her vèvè signature - her drawn sound is the image of a heart with a dagger going through it. During the colonial era, when the Èzili Dantò Vodun vèvè could only be drawn in secret to call her up, the enslaved Africans openly worshiped the Black woman warrior mother by substituting the readily available Black Madonna at Catholic services to symbolize Èzili Dantò. But both Boukman and Desalin from the Haiti revolution warned Haitians to "throw away the images" and the colonial compromises, and go back to the original African vèvè traditions to lift up the Ancestors and the observable perennial archetypes - Lwa yo. Èzili Dantò is also associated with the moon that gives birth to the sun each morning, holding a child, a knife, having three battle scars, three silver rings and with the colors red and blue. In Haitian Vodun (Vodou), Èzili Dantò represents the warrior mother, the love principle, healer/nurturer and the feminine archetype, a living library; that irreducible essence of the African female ancestors who had exhibited a perpetually reoccurring creative, feminine warrior nature. Èzili Dantò is the spiritual mother of the Haiti revolution as the first Lwa to appear at Bwa Kayiman, through Cecile Fatiman. She is also associated with the Haitian revolutions in ways that other African irreducible essences are not. Èzili Dantò is said to have lost her voice, her tongue was supposedly cut out from the battles to silence the women and stop the revolution. It is said that she is associated with the sacrifice of a black creole pig of Haiti as her favorite offering which was made to her at the famous Haitian Vodun (Vodou) war council at Bwa Kayiman on August 14, 1791, (written in French as, Bois Caïman), that began the Haitian Revolution which abolished slavery, the Triangular Trade, direct colonialism and force assimilation in Haiti. Dantò is a Petro lwa. She is often represented as a dark-skinned and scarred warrior-mother like the Dahomey Amazons or Mino meaning "Our Mothers" in the Fon language. Her favorite offerings include: a show of honor and respect, living truth without fear, protecting community, the earth, and those in need of protection. Those Vodouists who do Vodun rituals, write songs to her, wear her colors, drum and dance the Petwo rhythms to her, cook in her honor the fried pork dish known as griot, sometimes coupled with creme de cacao and Barbancourt rum cocktails, and poured libation made of dashes of Florida Water and dabs of perfume. References Vodun: The Light and Beauty of Haiti by Èzili Dantò of HLLN The Divine Mother: Ezili, Aset and Isis Bio of Ezili Dantò, 1791 Haiti Epistemology Bwa Kayiman links Dessalines' Three Ideals - Vodun Links Going Back to Source - Lasous O M Pwale Category:Vodou goddesses Category:Nubian women in warfare Category:Female rulers in Africa Category:Haiti Category:History of Africa Category:Justice Category:African philosophy Category:Black Madonna of Częstochowa Category:Saints Category:Our Lady of Lourdes Category:Our Lady of Mount Carmel Category:National personifications }} Ezilidanto (talk) 23:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Ezilidanto: This is precisely the problem. You are making large changes to the article, without in any way discussing them here on the talk page. A vitally important question here is, "are you the person named Èzili Dantò at ezilidanto.com"? If so, you may not insert links to your own website. Regardless, we don't allow usernames that are the names of websites. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 14:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit to the Èzili Dantò page

This message is for --jpgordon; For years I've been asked to fixed the Wikipedia errors on this page but the opportunity and time did not permit. Recently, I was asked again and so I did, meticulously and as thoroughly as required to properly identify the Lwa. I am Haitian and the foremost authority on the Èzili Dantò archetype. By fate, I was named for the Lwa at birth also which is why our names are similar. However, I made the edits and can add more references when time permits besides the ones to the ezilidanto.com site. I don't intend to change my name for you or anyone. I am not understanding why that's a problem. My intention was to add to the public knowledge for those who are not familiar with Vodun and Vodun epistemology, which is why I put in the sources to help those wanting to learn. But the edits were necessary because your association are erroneous. They're often reported by those who don't know. I changed the Eurocentric, colonial references that have little to do with the living energies like the Madan Sara (market women) in Haiti or the warrior women who are associated with the Èzili Dantò archetype for unknown millennia. My aim was to truthfully represent the Haytian/African warrior female with information we teach about this female lwa for the last 30-years. I don't know the procedures at Wikipedia and apologize for hurting your feelings. But the vèvè for Èzili Dantò is her symbol and the proper way to identify her. That's just one of the many examples of errors on the original page. I also wanted to correct the page name "Ezili Dantor" to the proper one with accents (Èzili Dantò) but didn't know how. At some point, if time permitted I was also going to add more references for the students across the globe I have who asked for information for their research projects. I invite the administrators of Wikipedia to unlock your version and put back the changes I made that correctly associates and names metrès Èzili Dantò and what that irreducible essence of Black women mother energy reflects. But if not, I do understand colonialism means Europeans MUST associate all that is heroic with their own Catholic Saints and points of references only and not the original pre-colonial women of Africa and Ayiti before the genocide and enslavement era. This is the reason I was never motivated to correct this in the first place. But if it's possible to do so, the corrections I've made are what Èzili Dantò is. So if truth is your aim jpgordon, you will learn from the corrections and if I need some technical help with putting in more references, I'd be happy to hear your suggestions on that. Be well. If I have time, I'll try to better understand the procedures at Wikipedia which you are saying I've somehow invalidated by making this page reflect the true Haitian-African archetype of Haiti in Africa, which is the irreducible essences of Black women warrior mothers and the female nurturing energy. - user is Ezilidanto Ezilidanto (talk) 16:47, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't intend to change my name for you or anyone. -- nobody wants you to change your name; however, we do require you to change the label put on your account on Wikipedia, the "username". That's pretty much an absolute. As far as the rest is concerned, you're probably right, I don't know one way or another -- my only concern here is procedural, not content. I suggest you request a name change at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, or someone will come along, probably sooner than later, and block this account, thus forcing the issue. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 19:05, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Ezilidanto, we simply require proper citations for your inclusions. When in doubt about precedures, sinply try to model some of Wikipedia's good articles. As for citations after each claim, do include:
<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www. |title= |editor=last name, first name |date= |publisher= |accessdate=12 June 2017}}</ref>
If it is a book, you can replace editor= for author= and include page=#∞ and isbn=############# (13-digits)

Reputable sources are not from blogs, personal websites etc. Google news, google books, JSTOR etc. are good places to find content. Hopefully they can match your claims as best as possible, unless you want to publish a book of your own through a publishing house if what is out there isn't suffice.

As for the name Elizi Dantor. We go with what's WP:COMMONNAME and not any special preference for Haitian Creole spelling; an orthography that's only been around for a quarter of a century, which is why "Loa" still supercedes "Lwa." We have to remember that Vodou is also practiced in Louisiana that also may not use the Creole spelling as much either. Savvyjack23 (talk) 22:24, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Ezili Dantor. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080325123139/http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg02863.html to http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg02863.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:06, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

"...specially golden rings"?

Under the heading "Worship" it lists sacrificial objects as "...jewels, specially golden rings and Agua de Florida". It clearly needs an Oxford comma to separate "rings" from "...and Aqua de Florida", but does anyone know what "specially golden rings" might mean in this context? Are they "special golden rings"? -rings that are "especially golden"? Are they "golden" in color? -or gold in substance? Is it that golden rings are particularly prevalent in use? Any help would be appreciated. Bricology (talk) 21:31, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: HUM 202 - Introduction to Mythology

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Josage18 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Cjsando.

— Assignment last updated by Rockethound (talk) 19:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)