Talk:Expulsion of the Acadians/Archives/2021

Expusion of the Acadians

A very British-centric tone in this article.... Proves the adage history is written by the victors....The expulsion was a genocide perpetrated on a mostly peaceful people. 76.11.127.245 (talk) 19:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The article was built by 243 different editors working on it by making 2,116 edits while working on it for 17 years. North8000 (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

That may be so, but it is not a comprehensivearticle about the Acadians relationships with the Micmac people, nor the British or the French. The Acadians were not supportive of either the British or French crowns. They simply wanted to live in peace. There were definitely some political actors in the population, but the Acadians were the victims of the wars between the French and the English. They were allies of neither. No matter how many people worked on this article it is highly misleading about Acadian history and culture. As an 11th generation Acadian in Nova Scotia, I find this article and much of its content prejudicial and incorrect.

76.11.127.245 (talk) 02:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

My point was more addressing your claims of who wrote this article. Why don't you find sourced material along the lines of what you are saying and put it in?North8000 (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I would enjoy seeing it edited better. It's a good article, it could be cleaned up though. I agree about it being very British Centric, but unfortunately usually in situations like this, the victor writes the history. Same thing goes for the Vendée Wars. I believe that should also be classified as a genocide, but after so much French Revolutionary propaganda, it doesn't matter how many people died to change any minds. Oh well. --Mlle. Renée Marie (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

On your first point, I'd suggest working on the article using sourced material to work on the the issues that you describe. And nice over-generalization saying that the 243 editors who have contributed to this article must be "the victors"' especially considering that most of them live in countries that didn't even exist back then. . Regarding Vendée Wars suggest putting your post at that article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:11, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Pity is that most of the history that we read today was written by the victors, so most people have the same point of view. I was only asking for a little more diversity in the points of view. That's what Wikipedia is all about. Mlle. Renée Marie (talk) 12:55, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Interesting article about this topic from a Canadian source: Acadian Expulsion (the Great Upheaval) The Canadian Encyclopedia | Historica Canada

   In meetings with Acadians in July 1755 in Halifax, Lawrence pressed the delegates to take an unqualified oath of allegiance to Britain. When they refused, he imprisoned them and gave the fateful order for deportation. Lawrence had strong support in his Council from recent immigrants from New England, who coveted Acadian lands. Traders from Boston frequently expressed wonder that an "alien" people were allowed to possess such fine lands in a British colony. 
  The expulsion proved to have been as unnecessary on military grounds as it was later judged inhumane. Lawrence's lack of imagination played as big a part as greed, confusion, misunderstanding, and fear. https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/the-deportation-of-the-acadians-feature?gclid=CjwKCAiAkJKCBhAyEiwAKQBCkk_s27eQpEADwCWxAbVJYDjD4YH0kN50mxKHtg1b7Kp4OPrgFSMzmRoCBXQQAvD_BwE

Peter K Burian (talk) 13:18, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Some Acadians came to Belle-Ile-en-Mer from Virginia, via England

News item today includes this info which Wikipedia does not: After being denied entry [to Virginia], they were sent to detention camps in England, where they remained until 1763 .. Almost half the survivors of that infamous deportation moved to Belle-Ile-en-Mer. Others, however, found their way back to North America, resettling in several different places on the continent, including the Maritimes.

Film highlights shared history of Acadian diaspora before British deportations The Canadian Press https://globalnews.ca/news/7681183/belle-ile-in-acadie-history-of-acadian-diaspora-film/ Peter K Burian (talk) 13:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court

I have removed the following from the infobox: Forcible transfer, deportations, persecutions, unlawful confinement, plunder of public and private property

• The Rome Statute of 17 July 1998, was not binding for the UK in August 10, 1755 – July 11, 1764 since the country had not yet signed the convention (rather obvious!).
• The Acadian refusal to swear the oath of allegiance was, I believe, rightful justification, under existing Law of Nations, to expel them. As far as I know, this is how it was supposed to work: 1) Country lost war. 2) Country ceded territory to winner. 3) Loser released ceded territory from allegience. 4) Winner promised to respect the privileges of the people of the ceded territory. 5) People of ceded territory swore allegiance to new Sovereign. That's what happened after the Silesian Wars when Prussia won Silesia.
• Retrospective use of modern standards is ahistorical and has no place in encyclopedic articles.
• In any case, there need to be a source from some relevant authority that claims that expulsion of the Acadians was a breach of the Rome Statue. Otherwise it is original research. Creuzbourg (talk) 16:52, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

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