Talk:Expulsion of Poles by Germany/Archive 1

Archive 1

POV and generalizations

I altered one small bit of POV info. Freshacconci 16:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Context and neutrality tags

I have added pov and context tags because this article is lacking in information about the wider context of the political issues caused in the 19th and 20th centuries by the mixing of ethnic groups in central and Eastern Europe, and therefore it gives the very false impression that the expulsion of the Poles by the Germans was a more or less unique act of random moral depravity. There is a much information about the wider context in Niall Fergusson's The War of the World. Alex Middleton 17:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The article

The article has been tagged and will need some serious editing. Let's keep the emotions to a minimun though. Freshacconci 20:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Historical Nonsense

How could this nonsense come to the main page? Sure there was a Polish minority in the second German empire (1871 - 1918). Firstly, the border between Germanic and Slavic languages and ethnicities saw much diffusion over several centuries, prior to establishing the second empire. Secondly, the heavy industrialisation during the time of the second empire was like a magnet for Polish immigrants to the Silesia and Ruhr regions, on which in fact the German economy of that time depended quite heavily. It is just bullshit to assume that the people that were actively recruited, were subject to forceful expulsion.

Needless to say, the 12 years of Nazi rule changed Germany, and changed the world. The main problem that I have with this article is its implied hostility of people, rather than distinguishing between racial idiots a/k/a Nazis, and the decades of quite peaceful coexistence prior to the nationalistic movements on both sides. Peter H. 2007-5-1

It is a bit more than historical nonsense, Peter. I have no problem with the existence of this article, but it certainly needs work. MadMaxDog 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

References

Needs more english-speaking references, less German & Polish ones. Just a matter of fariness, because we cannot expect people on the English Wikipedia to speak these languages and check the references for ccorrectly cited content. The matter is well-researched enough that such a replacement should be possible without affecting the article. MadMaxDog 21:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

It would also need LINKS as well, not only books. While books are fine in themselves, links can beread by people who don't have the books. For example, the comment about the WWI expulsion plans. I consider that quite likely, but even though I could read German, I don't have the book, and I'm not gonna buy it just to resolve a Wikipedia issue for myself. Would be great if people could do some net research, I need to log off now. MadMaxDog 21:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. The most reliable sources on serious subjects are still books, almost every time. Alex Middleton 21:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Expulsion of Gemans after War

Millions of Germans flee after Second World War out of East-Germany (Schlesien, Pommern, Ostpreussen). That should also be remembered in this article; otherwise the article is POV.212.95.108.57 (talk) 01:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It does not belong to that particulat article. But it is extensively described in many other articles. --Lysy^talk —Preceding comment was added at 20:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Split ?

I'd suggest to split this article. Many of the events described in the article have nothing in common. While they deserve separate articles, mixing them together and under such a common title is very questionable, IMO. --Lysy^talk 20:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Batch rename for all World War II evacuation and expulsion articles

Articles on those subjects are chaotically and confusingly named. Please see a proposal to standardize all names here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was no consensus, in light of the fact that this naming change in general has been widely contested. @harej 14:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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Expulsion of Poles by Germany → History of the expulsion of Poles by Germany — The articles is not about a single event but a series of expulsions from before creation of the German Empire until after World War II. New name indends to clarify that the article is a history not a singular event. Labattblueboy (talk) 14:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Survey

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Discussion

This articles was previously involved in a mass move request (Talk:World_War_II_evacuation_and_expulsion) which recently closed with no concensus. This request makes no attempt to change the format of the name but simply to include the words "History of" to serve as clarification.--Labattblueboy (talk) 14:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.