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Someone has, repeatedly, vandalized the page and excluded this link: * : Testobject2, An institute of philosophy and literature.

The responsibility for these mutilations devolve on a representative of the vanity press - a press, run at a loss, profiting nobody except those involved - called "Fugue State Press". From where does this right of censorship come? It can only be that the money squandered on this self publishing group produces the sheen of ostensible respectability and so it is allowed to suppress singular work that would, left unmolested, bring its agents to an unhappy reflection upon the failings of their own impotent project.

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Experimental_music Experimental_film --Jahsonic 08:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment moved from experimental novel page: I'm tempted to ask for speedy delete as db-empty ... this reads like a dictionary entry. see wp-not. For now, I'll just tag as needing expansion Brian 15:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)btball[reply]

Will Help

Yes, this article defanitly needs more information on the genre as a whole. Is anyone intrested in helping me expand this? S.dedalus 19:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re-phrasing

The mention of Sterne's supposed "post-modern approach" needs some serious clarification, seeing as the novel pre-dates even the Modernist movement by over a century. 82.32.83.42 13:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finnegan's Wake?

I was admittedly disappointed when no mention was made of Finnegan's Wake, by Joyce. It should definitely receive mention as the article is expanded. 69.210.117.126 (talk) 01:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with this; why is Finnegans Wake not mentioned? The man rested his legacy on the book, and it's one of the most powerful examples of experimental literature (being one of the biggest) as well as being a very important precursor and influence to postmodernism! 76.229.183.123 (talk) 03:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External link

Why are you censoring our page? At the behest of a vanity publisher? Is the criteria for validity money? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.146.31 (talk) 22:18, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The link is being removed because it does not meet the requirements of our external linking guidelines. Jezebel'sPonyo ^{bons mots} 20:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Warren Motte?

The prominence given to the essay "Experimental Writing, Experimental Reading" by Warren Motte at the start of this article is very odd. The essay appears to be barely ever cited, yet its position in this entry implies it is authoritative in the field. I'd suggest deleting that reference altogether; it seems a bit like an advert for its author.

David who?

The article includes an image of the first page of an experimental novel as an illustrative example. No problem there. The example, however, is by one David Detrick. David who? Indeed. I will wait to see if anyone replies to this comment successfully justifying such a ridiculous image. If not, I will go ahead an edit it out. Oulipal (talk) 21:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Early history: Remark relating to Tristram Shandy

Have added a 'citation needed' tag to the following sentence: '[Tristram Shandy] occurs so early in the standard history of the novel that one can't refer to its "breaking" conventions that had yet to solidify'. This is potentially a contentious opinion, and accordingly requires support from sources.

Note that the 'standard history of the novel' begins at least forty years before Tristram Shandy (1759), with the publication of Defoe's Robinson Crusoe (1719). The novels of Swift, Richardson, and Fielding were all also in circulation before Sterne began his writing career.

More significantly, however, the statement above ignores the existence of the novel in continental Europe for close to two centuries prior even to Robinson Crusoe. Examples would be Rabelais' Gargantua et Pantagruel (published 1532–1564, in English translation by 1694) or Cervantes' Don Quixote (the two parts published 1605/1615, in English translation as early as 1612/1620). Rabelais is known to have been Sterne's favourite author. Connoissaur (talk) 14:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The statement in fact contradicts itself by citing only "the standard history of the novel," which itself is a matter for contention, and is far less "standard" today than it was 50 years ago (see the two-volume chronological history of the novel by Steven Moore; the first huge volume *ends* at 1600). In either case, Sterne's two great influences, Cervantes and Rabelais, are both so central that they represent "solidified" conventions for the novel that have echoed down to the present--as has Sterne, of course. 96.242.7.182 (talk) 15:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]