Talk:Executive compensation/Archives/2013

EXECUTIVE COMPENSATION in Europe

The UK model of executive compensation varies significantly between the UK which tends to follow the American pattern with a high percentage of incentive payments linked to shares or options in the employing company and the French and German model which is much more heavily biased towards high salaries and cash bonuses. This partially reflects the make-up of the corporate sector in these countries where a high percentage of major groups are still partly- or wholly-government or family-owned organisations.

An increasing concern across Europe is the differences between directors’ pensions which tend to be extremely generous and those for executives and other staff in the same companies where corporate contributions to pension schemes are being reduced.

It is increasingly clear that many employees will not benefit from a pension at a level they had every reason to expect until the stock market crash, increased longevity, changes in pension scheme tax and lower corporate contributions started to whittle away likely pension payments.

See (www.irsgroup.co.uk)

ṚÒ--125.92.206.249 14:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

You might also want to consider a paper published by Dr. Kalpathy about Hedging and Executive Compensation - http://www.cox.smu.edu/web/guest/published-research/-/blogs/hedging-away:-derivatives-blur-executive-compensation-incentives?_33_redirect=%2Fweb%2Fguest%2Fpublished-research

129.119.81.135 (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)Kathy Simpson

New title

Just to explain, "compensation" is not the best word - though often used in the literature, because it implies that directors are receiving exactly what they are due - and so not entirely appropriate or neutral. Remuneration is more open ended. Also, directors are better, because the subject is often studied with reference to the whole of a board of directors. Remuneration committees typically set the lot (though obviously execs get paid more). I was thinking perhaps "director pay" may be even simpler, so if anyone thinks that's better, please say so! Wikidea 15:54, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Director remuneration is not better, and I think this needs to be moved back. Director remuneration could be a subarticle. While I understand the concern with the word compensation, it is still the standard term in the research of this topic. We can discuss controversies about the appropriateness of the word in the article. Remuneration is not a commonly used word; it is very formal and inappropriate for a general encyclopedia, and any subtle difference in connotation between the two is going to be lost on everyone. Compare a GScholar search for "director remuneration to "executive compensation" - 684 results and 27,600 (perhaps more fairly, "executive remuneration" has 2,610 results). More importantly, this issue is not about director remuneration (or compensation) - it is about executive compensation. Executives are different than directors. Non-executive director compensation is not usually an issue, and directors receive relatively little pay in general unless they are executives. Director compensation could be a subarticle. We need to track the news and scholarly literature. Please move back. II | (t - c) 19:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

How about executive pay? Wikidea 09:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

"executive pay" generates 9,310 GScholar results. It is a good compromise. Thanks. II | (t - c) 04:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Cheers, that works well, especially since the debate, at the moment, seems to be expanding more firmly into non-director managers. The UK Stewardship Code which will soon be released, will require disclosure of highly paid managers and employees who "execute" but aren't on the board. Wikidea 16:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

CEOs' golden parachute exit packages pass $100 million

http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/story/2011-11-07/100-million-dollar-chairmen/51116304/1 Ottawahitech (talk) 20:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Globalizing

I have to agree with the tag above and plan to fork the article into Executive pay in the United States and the current article stripped of 80% of the US-centric material. --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:40, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

US article created! ... though it needs work. --BoogaLouie (talk) 23:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Change title back

Disagree with Wikidea (above) who changed the article title to Executive pay (actually it was ImperfectlyInformed who changed it). "Compensation" may originally have sounded more sanitized or righteous than "pay" or "remuneration", but now, like other words intended to sound gentler and/or more official -- "depression" (as in Great Depression) or "mentally retarded" -- it has its own connotation that is not at all sanitized.

IMHO "Compensation" is a better word for use in the title than pay because it's more open ended. Many things executives get as compensation (perks, stock that doesn't vest for some time, consulting contracts that are pretty much just an excuse to give them money) are not really what most people would think of as "pay". --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Which phrase is used more?

• "executive pay" About 1,910,000 hits on google

• "executive compensation" About 4,300,000 hits --BoogaLouie (talk) 19:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 06:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Executive pay → Executive compensation – as explained above, "Executive compensation" is more commonly used, i.e. more recognizable, then "executive pay" (see also results of google search above), and better describes the broad range of money and benefits execs get (perks, stock that doesn't vest for some time, consulting contracts, etc.), that most people don't really think of as "pay". (Also plan to change Executive pay in the United States to Executive compensation in the United States.) The original change seems to be on the grounds that "compensation" gave the term a dignity it didn't deserve, but I would argue that there is little danger of that these days. BoogaLouie (talk) 19:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• Support Pay would be the salary and bonuses, compensation includes the golden parachute, stock options, etc. (stock options are not pay) -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 20:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
• Comment this is an improperly formatted multimove request -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 20:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
• Support; seems reasonable to me. bobrayner (talk) 09:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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