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Party vs group

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What is the difference between the SVP party and the group? because she will be excluded from the group but not the party. Baselerin (talk) 17:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Parliamentary groups are formed by the corresponding party members in the Swiss Federal Assembly, with a minimum threshold of five party members (sum of National Council members plus Council of States members). The parliamentary groups normally also include party members represented in the Federal Council. As the SVP leadership chooses to no longer co-ordinate their politics with the government, and as a clear signal to emphasize their "newly" chosen role in the "opposition", Samuel Schmid and Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf have been excluded from the parliamentary group. They are still members of the party, however, and they have lots of supporters in their respective cantonal parties. I wikilinked group in the article, to help make it clearer. In German it is called Bundeshausfraktion which refers to the building, and sounds more inclusive of members of the executive body, than the English version, or groupe de l'Assemblée fédérale and gruppo parlamentare (delle Camere federali), which all only imply the legislative body. ---Sluzzelin talk 18:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand, members of the executive are technically not members of fractions anyway: fractions are groups of members of the parliament and do not extend to the executive already for reasons of separation of political powers.[1] Federal Concillors just sit in meetings of their party's fraction as a matter of convention, without the right to vote or propose motions. The bottom line is that Widmer-Schlumpf and Schmid will not sit in the official meetings of the SVP fraction. That's it. Whether this will be a greater disadvantage to the fraction or to the ministers is open to debate. dab (𒁳) 09:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that sounds more like it. I guess I was misled by the wording used in some of the media. Docu seems to have already adjusted the text accordingly to "... the Swiss People's Party's caucus announced that they will exclude her from their group's meetings". ---Sluzzelin talk 16:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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