Talk:Eva Perón/Archive 4

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Popularity and personality cults section cites nothing

The information in this section seems to have some value, but there are no sources cited. The most concerning is the quote attributed to Eva Peron - I can find no full speech transcript, or any details regarding that speech. IMO if that cant be cited it shouldn't be there. --76.16.93.253 (talk) 04:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I can provide sources for that section. But I have decided to remove it for the time being for the following reasons. 1. That section always concerned me a bit because I don't know if it flows too well with the rest of the article. 2. The article is already rather long and I have been told it needs some shortening. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 05:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Reference to popular culture in intro paragraphs?

A while ago someone suggested to me that in editing this page I could consider the articles about Che Guevara and Joan of Arc as models. Looking over these pages just now, I see that in the intro paragraphs they make reference to the popular culture impacts of both figures. The Guevara page references his status as a pop culture icon, particularly the importance of the famous portrait. And the Joan of Arc page makes reference to her being an important figure in Western civilization.

This leads me to wonder if maybe something should be mentioned about Evita's presence in popular culture. I think that if we are to use the Guevara and Joan of Arc pages as examples, then this should be done. On the other hand, I fear that the musical by Andrew Lloyd Webber is more famous than Eva Peron herself, which I think is unfortunate. Part of me likes having the intro refer only to the historical woman herself, with the musical, etc., relegated to the bottom of the article.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Andrew Parodi (talk) 13:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess I'm late, but doing that would be wrong, as it would also be wrong in similar articles like Che Guevara or Joan of Arc if they do that. Fiction and non-fiction are not to be mixed, and an article about a historical person or event should be focused all the way in reality, and talk about related fiction at the end, when the real things about the topic have all been accounted for. If a fictional work about a historical person is more known than the person itself, then the purpose of an encyclopedia article about the person is to teach and explain the unknown things, not to perpetuate confusion.

I can mention another example similar to the Eva Perón - Evita musical much more closer in time. The movie 300 (film). After it, many people thought they knew about the Battle of Thermopylae, but they didn't, they knew about the film. The article about the real battle makes no mention in the lead about the famous, current and big seller movie, and it is fine it does not. Benito Sifaratti (talk) 20:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment. I am torn. On one hand, I'd like to include that she is important in popular culture, which would mean referencing the musical. But then, as you say, in the English speaking world the musical is more famous than she is, and this article could serve in reversing that trend. Thanks. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 23:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I think is a beautiful article. Maybe a just little long.(Mrak Sandowsky (talk) 04:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC))

Thank you very much. Andrew Parodi (talk) 19:23, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Clean-up necessary

I'm not sure I did this right - I wanted to reassess the "good article" award given to this entry - not because of content but because certain sections are written in extremely poor English. I've tried to clearn some of this up but it's quite time-consuming. How do you tag something for cleanup? Furthermore, the article, while comprehensive, may just be too long. There certainly seems to be an excess of quotations. Vikingwoman2 (talk) 11:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've become aware of that. I'm attempting to clean it up section by section now. And I'll see about removing some of the quotes. Thanks. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 00:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible future source

Contains a profile of Evita: 100 Most Important Women of the 20th Century http://www.amazon.com/Most-Important-Women-20th-Century/dp/0696208237/ ISBN 0696208237

Edits by Moderate2008

Moderate2008 has added a great deal to this article. I have removed the edits for two reasons: 1. The article is already long. 2. All of the edits seem to be without any citation. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 06:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Will be back soon to clean up & cite furthur (there were some citations) my previous additions. Thank you. Moderate2008 (talk) 04:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I took the liberty of removing your recent edit to the intro paragraphs because it was redundant. You inserted into the very first paragraph that she was made the spiritual leader of the nation, but this is already mentioned in the third intro paragraph. This article is currently a "Good Article," but it has come close to losing this status on at least one occasion. I am trying to make sure it retains that status. I think that in order for this article to retain the "Good Article" status it needs to remain succinct as possible. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 13:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)