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Q1: Why does this article refer to the Republic of Macedonia as Macedonia? Shouldn't this country be referred to as the F.Y.R. Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia), as that is what the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) call it in the contest to avoid confusion with Greek Macedonia?

A1: Previously the practice on Eurovision Song Contest articles was to universally refer to the Republic of Macedonia as the F.Y.R. Macedonia, as this was the name the EBU used. However, this practice was overridden by wider community consensus established at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia). The current guideline establishes Macedonia as the general term for the county throughout Wikipedia, even if the article is about an international organisation which uses a different naming practice e.g. the Eurovision Song Contest. In Eurovision Song Contest articles the inclusion of the flag for the Republic of Macedonia and the context of Macedonia being listed with other countries makes the risk of confusion low. However, the term F.Y.R. Macedonia, as it is used in the contest, may still be reported once in individual Eurovision Song Contest articles as necessary.

Format of Host Cities

I am wondering whether it is really necessary to format the section with the prospective host cities as it currently is. I think it looks a bit of a mess with pictures missing and boxes with nothing in. Can we not just use the same format as with the 2016 contest? I think it looks a lot neater and takes up less space. AJR2 (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I made nice arrangement on sr:Песма Евровизије 2015. You might check.

However, it is not possible to arrange cities respectivelly to their positions on the map inside. --Obsuser (talk) 17:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That format style shouldn't even be used. It certainly doesn't follow Wikipedia:WikiProject Eurovision/Format and Guides. And I now that it has never looked in that way before. All the bidding phase section have been formatted the same way, just as with 2016 and 2017. Who on Earth changed the format without proposing the changed format? Obsuser you cannot go making massive changes like that without proposing them first at the Project talk page, as such format changes would have an impact on other articles. Wes Mouse ✒ 17:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@AJR2: thank you for making awareness of this change of format. @Obsuser: such action meant that a search of the edit history had to be made in order to find the stable version prior to your change. The "nice arrangement" you made is if there was more than one host venue, a bit like they use on the Olympic Games articles. A bidding section doesn't need such arrangement, and needs to be a simple as possible - which is the version that Wikipedia and WikiProject Eurovision have been using since the bidding of a host city was introduced in 2011. Please do not make such major changes like that again, not without first proposing them at the project talk page for other project members to discuss the proposal. Wes Mouse ✒ 17:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Wesley Mouse:Sorry but you've mixed up something. I've never made any change i.e. I did not introduce a new big table on English Wikipedia. I saw some IP added it here (20:05, 16 May 2016‎), I have this article in my Watchlist and after it had survived here for two days – I copied and adapted it on Serbian Wiki (05:39, 18 May 2016). Please carefully check article histories.

Now I proposed rearrangement, that's all.--Obsuser (talk) 19:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Obsuser: You said above that you "made nice arrangement". Now you say that someone else made it? Neverthelesss, that kind of style should not be used on Eurovision articles. That style is designed for events that have more than one venue hosting an event, such as the Olympic Games, Commonwealth Games, or even the FIFA World Cup. Eurovision only has cities bidding, with one being chosen to host in one venue. That is why a different and more simple design is used. So that the table provides information on which cities have placed a bid to host the contest, and ultimately which city is selected to host. Having the version you "rearranged" makes the information confusing in its presentation, and portrays across that more than one venue is hosting a contest. Please, keep it simple as in the current format. It has worked so far since 2011, and other editors already know to use the current format. Wes Mouse ✒ 23:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Wesley Mouse: "I made nice arrangement on sr:Песма Евровизије 2015. You might check." – Read again.

To be clear: My only "very recent" edit on Eurovision Song Contest Article on English Wikipedia is fix for opened right side of already made table by 31.201.232.126. OK, now it's clear. Someone else (31.201.232.126) made it, I saw it and moved to .sr and made nice arrangement (and resized pictures) there.

I've never intended to make some changes here, just informed you if you want to check table in sr:Песма Евровизије 2015. as Deb and Dimitrissss decided after two days to keep 31.201.232.126's addition which I copied to .sr afterwards. Explained third time. Cheers! --Obsuser (talk) 23:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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