Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 1995/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Aintabli (talk · contribs) 22:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This was an interesting year. I'm happy to review this nomination. Aintabli (talk) 22:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Looks good.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Several weeks have passed since the last time the page was edited before the start of this review.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	One image is from FlickR and was reviewed, another is the original work of an editor, and the logo may be used.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	All relevant.
	7. Overall assessment.

Unknown commentators

@Sims2aholic8, I suggest you try to fill the cells that were marked as "unknown" on the table in Eurovision Song Contest 1995#Broadcasts. They aren't particularly sourced for being unknown, and it may give off the wrong impression to readers. With the help of translators, I would check the relevant language versions of this article, which would most likely include the commentators not found here, and then search for articles including the name of the commentator and Eurovision Song Contest 1995. This may be difficult or time-consuming, so feel free to reach out if you need help. For example, Turkish Wikipedia lists Bülend Özveren as the commentator of Turkey. In any case, you may just leave them blank if we can't find any sources. Aintabli (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aintabli: How do you suggest these cells be filled in when there are no reliable sources to verify the claims? Adding in new information without the relevant sources would be an original research violation (which would break point 2c of the GA guidance). I have spent a long time scouring various websites, newspaper archives etc. to verify the information presented, however in some cases it is a big struggle to find reliable sources that can verify the information presented. Other versions of Wikipedia have the exact same problem, a lot of information and none of it unsourced, making it unsuitable for translation or merging into the English site. Many of the other language Wikipedia pages additionally have the same information that was presented in this article in previous versions before its removal. While improving other articles for other years the information presented was patently false, so I cannot trust that the information presented within other Wikipedia sites is correct without the necessary sources and verification. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:03, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8 I think there has been a understanding, because I didn't ask you to add unsourced information. I suggested you check other language Wikipedias, which would possibly include the name of the commentators. Then, you could search for sources mentioning both the contest and the commentator, and whether it really states who the commentator was. I could have worded my first comment better, maybe. As I explained in the last sentence of my comment above, please leave "unknown" information empty instead of noting them as "unknown" if you can't find sources for them. You are welcome to leave them all blank. Aintabli (talk) 11:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aintabli: Thanks for clarifying. I have now removed the "Unknown" text from the tables. As I mentioned previously, the information you suggest I find on other Wikipedia sites has already existed within the English Wikipedia (per the previous version link), however after attempting to find sources to verify those potential names and specific broadcast channels, for some of the countries this was not possible at this time hence their removal. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 17:24, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecks

Ireland thus became the first, and as of 2022 only country to have hosted three successive contests. Verified.
Having previously hosted the 1994 contest, Dublin became the first city to host two consecutive Eurovision Song Contests, with the Point Theatre also serving as the host venue for the second year in a row. Verified.
I noticed that in some cases, you have reused the same references that often include a range of pages, but I believe citing each page or range separately could be more heplful, although this is okay as well. Aintabli (talk) 13:41, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cyprus's Alexandros Panayi had provided backing vocals for two previous Cypriot entries, for Fani Polymeri and Yiannis Savvidakis in 1989 and Elena Patroklou in 1991. Verified the years but not the artists that performed in those years. @Sims2aholic8, a quote from ref 7, which I can't access, could come in handy. If it doesn't include the name of the artists, there needs to be a third source. Aintabli (talk) 14:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing in ref 7 that would be applicable here, so I've added a new ref which covers the names of the Cypriot references in those years. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:18, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Sims2aholic8, would you consider ref 11 and ref 12 RS? They appear to be used for the language and conductor of each entry, respectively (as part of the table in Eurovision Song Contest 1995#Participating countries), and I cannot access reference 7, so I'm not sure whether these are indispensable or not. As a side note, you could relocate the references next to the title of a column instead of the title of the table, which would make it easier for others to note which reference is for which information in the table. Aintabli (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Generally within WikiProject Eurovision Diggiloo Thrush (ref 11) is considered reliable for the languages of each competing song. andtheconductoris.com (ref 12) is also considered reliable, and is actually listed as a source within Roxburgh (ref 7) (the conductors are presented on camera during the live broadcast as well, so andtheconductoris.com is more presenting that information in a more accessible format). Ref 12 is somewhat duplicated by ref 7, as the conductors are also listed within Roxburgh, however for accessibility I kept both given that ref 7 is not available online. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:55, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The trophy awarded to the winners was designed by Kevin O'Dwyer Verified.
"Nocturne" was a largely instrumental piece featuring only 24 words in total, with brief vocals only at the start and end of the song performed by Tvinnereim. Verified. Aintabli (talk) 10:30, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The commentators, channels, broadcasters of Austria, Cyprus, Greece, Ireland, and the UK were verified. Aintabli (talk) 10:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments

First of all, sorry for the delay. The nominator appears to have mastered tackling the necessary criteria for GA. I have lastly checked the wording and other minor errors in spelling, punctuation, etc. in the article, and could barely find problems that I could easily correct, let alone those that need more attention. Still, I reckon there might be issues that I might not have noticed for various reasons, but I’m pretty confident this article would merit being a GA anyways. Passing. Aintabli (talk) 20:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]