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Article's title

Shouldn't we rename this article to Petro Poroshenko Bloc? I believe that this name would be more grammatically correct in English, not to mention that we already have an article Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc, rather than Bloc of Yulia Tymoshenko. § DDima 15:57, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Petro Poroshenko Bloc did not participate in elections before 2012 "as UDAR"

It is quite inaccurate to claim any seat changes or swings for the Petro Poroshenko Bloc before 2014 based on the results of UDAR, as this implies Petro Poroshenko Bloc descended from UDAR or that UDAR and Petro Poroshenko Bloc are virtually the same. However, it is not more than a cooperation between both parties and the Petro Poroshenko Bloc existed (under different names) since 2000, long before Klitschko's petty UDAR. And only a minority of the representatives from the UDAR party (not more than 30%) came into the new Verkhovna Rada through the lists of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc. --Mdphddr (talk) 03:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly agree about the fact that the party did not participate in elections before 2012. There seems to be some intention to trace a heritage between the dissolved Solidarity and Petro Poroshenko Bloc, both being associated with Petro Poroshenko. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:25, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That being the case, collaboration between the parties and the inference that they are essentially one and the same is WP:SYNTH. As such, the relationship needs to be disentangled for the sake of factual representation in the content of this article. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Iryna Harpy, thank you for following. As example, we have a separate article on the Opposition Bloc and the Party of Regions, while their parliamentary factions in Ukrainian parliament are practically identical. We could mention the Poroshenko's party Solidarity in the same article due to its insignificant role, but claiming that the bloc and the former party is one and the same infringes on the original research. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 13:10, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What's in a name?

The most recent visual identity seems to place "Solidarity" in greater emphasis over "Petro Poroshenko Bloc" Have they changed their name again? [1] Endrū Hejs (talk) 10:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the introduction to reflect the use of "Solidarity" What opinions are there on this change and yes/no should there be a change in article title? Endrū Hejs (talk) 09:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted your changes for the moment as the WP:RS you've provided discuss the projected change of name, but you've provided no sources demonstrating that the name has changed. Per WP:CRYSTAL, such content is not introduced until such a time as it has been confirmed. Feel free to make the appropriate changes when you find sources confirming that the name change has taken place. The first rule of thumb is that Wikipedia is WP:NOT#JOURNALISM, hence we don't try to run ahead with the ball, we follow what RS tell us. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. This one [2] is a copy of their party statute from the website. What do you think? Endrū Hejs (talk) 11:23, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. Again, despite the fact that it's their statute (and signed by Poroshenko himself), it's a WP:PRIMARY document dated the 3rd of February of this year and, where it can be avoided, for the purposes of Wikipedia it is important to demonstrate that it has been enacted. While I'd be predisposed to accept the cumulative sources you've brought to the table, unless we have some form of secondary WP:RS stating that it was enacted, I'd prefer to err on the side of caution. Is there any RS you've encountered that would confirm that the name of the party has been changed/amended rather than allusions to intent (which may equally be construed as a proposal that hasn't taken place)?

Mind you, I'm prepared to take this on board seriously as 1.1 describes the party as being the bloc qualified with "Solidarnist'" at the end, I'd also be grateful to other editors for their input. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Possible merger with People's Front

There is press coverage of a possible merger between Petro Poroshenko Bloc and People's Front. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any other sources for this, Yulia Romero? I'm reticent to introduce any content that's borderline CRYSTAL. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:25, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No I don't know another source. But I do not want to put any info of this possible merger into the article (for CRYSTAL reasons also). I placed the information on this talkpage for a possible future reference and as a reminder that a merge could happen. (The ratings of People's Front are to low now too make it survive an election, and there are many politicians in People's Front that will want to be re-elected and they have shown a lack of party loyalty before). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 01:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. It's worth keeping an eye on the situation. Any changes in status can be updated if/when they actually occur. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

I've changed the name of the article to Petro Poroshenko Bloc "Solidarity" for a few reasons. Firstly, that's used in sources, such as the Kyiv Post, and mimics the likes of All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" and All-Ukrainian Union "Freedom". Secondly, "Petro Poroshenko Bloc" is a more accurate translation than retaining the Ukrainian word order, and is more common in RS. Even after the addition of the "Solidarity", many sources continue to refer to the organisation as "Petro Poroshenko Bloc". RGloucester — ☎ 04:56, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. The naming convention structure was only just changed recently, and I was going to address this myself after I'd finished fixing refs as the flow is extremely awkward. Aside from other precedents you've noted, the change is WP:COMMONSENSE. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:27, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that not all is well in the party

For WP:CRYSTAL-reasons I think that it should not be included in this article; but you can read here (in Ukrainian) that about 15 of the party's mp's are not happy within the party. They started a potential breakaway parliamentary faction. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:11, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Future references? High profile members from Petro Poroshenko Bloc joined Democratic Alliance yesterday

See here and here. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:26, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]