Talk:European Islam

Eh?

Looks like original research, or wishful thinking if you will. --Joffeloff 17:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Jorgen Nielsen, Rudi Laermans, Nadia Fadil, Taris Ramadan, etc. all use this term. Sijo Ripa 18:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

OR

"European Islam" is a term used by some researchers to describe Islam which integrated itself to European values. But where would you put researchers who think Europe should integrate itself into Islam, or that Europeans should work harder to help Muslims integrate? Shouldn't it also be under "European Islam"? If there's a better article, I'll move the "other approaches" over there. Cesari, btw, does talk about European Islam - but requires both sides to integrate the other. Misheu 22:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

re-reading what I added as "other approaches" - both researchers are described elsewhere as writing about European Islam. I'm not sure where's the OR here. Misheu 22:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

headings

Maybe the headings should be according to the ideas and not according to the person saying them? Misheu 13:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I thought the same... but do they say the same? Are there nuances? The few articles/quotes mentioned are perhaps too little to make that conclusion. Also, who are the most prominent authors? Anyway, I support such a change. If things are not 100% correct, they can be fixed later. It would become too absurd to have dozens of authors each given an own section. A summarizing source would give an overview and avoid OR. Sijo Ripa 14:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure there are nuances. I think this will not avoid OR but rather encourage it. After all, I don't know if anybody ever did a thorough examination of what each academic says on the topic and showed what's the differentiating points between them. But, I still think it's better. Due to RL issues I'll be working less on Wikipedia, so I don't think i'll get around to this anytime soon. Misheu 21:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

gender equality

I am not sure that gender equality can summarily be described as an "European value or tradition". Gender equality at best has a "tradition" of a few decades in many European countries, and thus certainly isn't a fundamental value without which Europe wouldn't be Europe. But of course it is true that over the last 20 years or so, gender equality has become pretty much taken for granted as ubiquitous. dab (𒁳) 12:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Eurocentric Assumptions

This article assumes that Islamic values are inferior to European post-Enlightenment ones. It assumes that Islam itself is removed from or opposed to "human rights, rule of law, democracy and gender equality," by saying it lacks them. This indicates that the writer(s) have very shallow knowledge about what Islam actually teaches, and what Islamic ideals entail. I believe the writer(s) should look into the scripture itself to derive Islamic ideology rather than simply looking at the extremists or dictatorial governments that exist. Any writer should also differentiate between what is considered "culture" and "Islam." Culture varies greatly from country to country, while Islam (and the Qur'an) does not. Things such as burqas and practices such as honor killings are cultural, and not Islamic. Islam does not oppose human rights, rule of law, or gender equality. In fact Islam introduced these concepts to tribal Arabia, way before any European "Enlightenment." In fact, the European Enlightenment was spurred in no small part by the rise of Islam. Islam does oppose European-style democracy, but only because Islam says the power to govern lies with God, and not with the people. Islam doesn't say people can't vote, or that democratic elements can't be used. If any Islamic reformation were to occur, it would be a return to the basics of Islam and the peaceful and just example of Prophet Muhammad, and not an introduction of new and "European" ideals. Besides, as the above user said, Women's Suffrage is not an inherent European tradition. NinjaKiyo (talk) 22:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Bad Maps

The map of Muslim majorities is very obviously wrong. Turkey, both a European nation and one with a vast, overwhelming Muslim majority, is blank. The same goes for Northern Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.24.203.61 (talk) 02:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Why should a map about Islam in Europe show Muslim majorities in Anatolia and Northern Africa? Only East Thrace is in Europe and shown correctly as Muslim. Turkey as a whole is not a European nation; it is a transcontinental, Eurasian nation. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Some important untrue facts!

Dear writer

your article has some big mistakes as big as everest mount!

you've wrote that:

"This new kind of Islam would combine the duties and principles of Islam with the contemporary European cultures, including Europe's post-Enlightenment values and traditions such as human rights, rule of law, democracy and gender equality.""

I guess you've thought that people can't understand that every thing you call human rights, rule of law, democracy and gender equality is only a means to persuade they have these but when we want talking Against israel or talking about imperialism why governers shut us up?!!???

and for your attention in real islam (NOT this american islam )we ham all humanity rights , rule of law, democracy and gender equality I can prove it !! God in Quran said:there is no one supreme and people are equal because all of you born from adam and Eve so the only difference between you people is your PIETY religiousness

and if you think I am not right it is very logical to research by yourself Like me to FIND TRUTH

thanks for attention

yasin mikhiliov — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.218.203.249 (talk) 03:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

european islam and salafism

Does the term Europpean islam beside the more colloquially use of muslims in europe (that does not even really makes sense because muslims were already in europe during the Ottoman Empire. Furthermore a precursor of the european islam seems to be based on the reform-salafistic postiion of Tariq Ramadan. This is almost the opposide of that, the term European Islam is also held for.--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC)