Talk:European Car of the Year

Disputed

Evidence is that the first production hatchback was the Innocenti A40 in 1962. The original design, Austin A40, had upper and lower tailgates, Innocenti in their manufactured variant replaced these with a one piece hatch. http://www.aronline.co.uk/cars/austin/a30a35/innocenti-austin-a40/

I don't want to edit the article just yet, until others have checked the facts and confirmed them, preferably from independent sources. Otherwise someone will likely come along and revert it and we will soon end up with an unnecessary edit war, so I think the best way is to merely flag it as disputed and wait for some sensible response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiger99 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But how about Citroën's pre-war Traction Avant hatchback, of which the Wiki page states "The first hatchback automobile was called the 11 CV Commerciale (commercial)"? Heckmotor97 (talk) 15:36, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Colourful commentary

The comments section is written in a rather non-Wikipedic style — the very fact that it's called "comments" is a warning sign. Unless they are comments which were made by the judges or perhaps journalists (and we'd need references of course) then they really need to be changed to something more matter-of-fact; they're currently unreferenced and often somewhat in breach of WP:NPOV. – Kieran T ^(talk) 17:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Correction CotY years 1964-1975

All language variants of the Wiki article on Car of the Year (CotY) parrot the organisation's website. But this organisation has erased a piece of its own history: until 1974, the title was named after the "past year", the year in which the candidates were presented; from 1975 onwards, the title was named after the year of the award ceremony. So the Citroën CX was called CotY 1974, as announced in January 1975, but the next, the Simca 1307/1308, was CotY 1976, as announced in January 1976.

The first CotY, the Rover P6, was CotY 1963 (and not 1964, as is now widely claimed) and so on up to and including the CX. There are various indications for this, e.g. there are articles in magazines and newspapers announcing a winning car with the correct year, text in the background of photos at the award ceremony and sometimes even the text with the year is legible in pictures of the trophy while being presented. One day I hope to be able to photograph such a trophy myself. The car brands have also occasionally placed advertisements with the CotY-19xx title. You can erase or rewrite history in digital media, but printed media remain and won't lie.

In the year of the change itself, Autovisie, the Dutch magazine that initiated the award, paid no attention to this year jump in their article about the winner (in January 1976) because there was another, more important problem that they had to report on. There were also no letters to the editor about it. Perhaps something was written about the jump in 1977 after comments or letters were sent in, but unfortunately I no longer have these Autovisie issues in a readable condition (they got wet). For the first ten years since 1978, Autovisie always stated in its "list of previous winners" why 1975 was missing.

Before I edit everything in the article to correct the years in the text, I would like to hear your opinion on this. If the WP article is being adjusted, these changes must also be included in the table. What would we do with the year 1975? Add a blank line? Leave it out? Maybe someone has other good ideas about this? Erremm (talk) 11:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]