Talk:Euronationalism/Archive 1

Archive 1

Euronationalism is the process of bringing far right parties to mainstream respectability.

So "European nationalism" is "far right"? This is wikipedia's idea of npov?

No, it's one author's idea of npov. Unless wikipedia has established a hive mind while I wasn't looking. :-)

:-) Wikipedia does attract a certain bias along the lines of the dominant thinking of the people who contribute to it. I doubt any article saying that Indian nationalism's definition was that of a far right plot would last more than 20 seconds.

Pim Fortuyn had nothing to do with nationalism, Flemish Blok or "far right".

I'm pretty sure he didn't have anything to do with that either FrancisTyers 15:01, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Horrible anglo-centric, POV article. Why the focus on Britain? Should be completely rewritten.

I wouldn't go as far as to say 'horrible', but definately needs a cleanup. FrancisTyers 15:01, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Uh, is this serious ? This article looks pretty "euronationalist" itself, i.e. (according to the article, but in my own words) an attempt at making extreme-right positions appear reasonable. Thus definitely NOT neutral.

Is "Euronationalism" a widely recognised political concept, or is it used only by "euronationalist" parties to promote a better image of themselves ? --FvdP 16:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The parties definately have a lot in common and do tend to have relations. There are a number of other pages on the internet using the term, but not more than a thousand according to a quick google search. I don't think euronationalism is a word used by the political parties in question. - FrancisTyers 17:20, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This name is bound to create confusion and is propably not something those people could and do identify with. Beeing notably against the unification of Europe, they propably loath the prefix euro. Euronationals is also generally used to describe those that want further integration of Europe, that is european nationalists that see Europe as their homeland, their nation, not their respected country of orgin, as those, here called "euronationals". I recommend the usage of the term national conservatives, or national progressives.

The majority view of what Euronationalism is

British sociologist Anthony D. Smith. In his 1995 book, Nations and Nationalism in a Global Era, Smith argues that "we can hardly imagine that a European economic and political union, or a European federation, will abolish or erode the deeply ingrained historic identities and cultures of the very diverse peoples of Europe". Moreover, "to pool sovereignties is not the same thing as fusing culture or amalgamating identities, and the creation of a European 'super-state' is not the same as a 'super-nation' of Europe".19 In an earlier (1991) work, he argues that without a 'European consciousness' which would enable the transfer of allegiance from the nation-state to the EU, 'Euronationalism' (or 'supernationalism') would be impossible...

This is from an official EU document.

More about 'Euronationalism' SweHomer 03:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4151

OriginalResearch

scholar.google.com gives me only 75 hits for "Euronationalism OR Euro-nationalism". The Google search engine somewhat more. As it stands, this article is only confusing, and tries to link together all kind of different subjects, notwithstanding speaking against the article itself: Although Euronationalism is a rather vague concept, a number of different organisations can be seen to be Euronationalist.. Intangible 23:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd say you should file an AfD for it. Reeks of POV-OR to me. —Nightstallion (?) 13:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Euronationalism is a term that was used by the anti-fascist group Red Action:

What Monbiot has of course stumbled on is Euro-nationalism. The type of "clever political manoeuvring" that has little to do with shouting 'wogs out'. A sophistication developed and exemplified by Megret, Fini, and Haider. A sophistication moreover that impresses more than simply Guardian journalists, but more infamously, the European counter-parts of the 'Guardian reader'. INTO THE GHETTO

Also an Australian "nationalist" uses the term:

Yet, t was from this realization of the failure of the fascisms, recognized first by ex-fascists, that a truth was stated by 1947. They said that all new movements of Euro-nationalism were bonded by a common European fatherland. There was a higher identity and loyalty to be held by Europeans everywhere: to the civilization itself, to the group that bears it. Speech To The Fifth Sydney Forum. August 28 2005

Max Bluementhal has also used this term in the Nation:

Many attendees of the American Renaissance conference were so fixated on the "Jewish question," they seemed deaf to the latest tactics promoted by the conference's European speakers. Nick Griffin, recently acquitted by a British court on two counts of "inciting racial hatred," has revitalized the marginal British National Party by adopting an explicitly Islamophobic "Euro-nationalism" in place of his party's traditional anti-Semitism. The BNP will contest more than 100 seats in Britain's upcoming general election. Republicanizing the Race Card

Also from the Guardian:

Steve and Sharron Edwards, husband and wife, who together helped launch the local BNP branch in May 1998, have been instrumental in developing the far-right group in

Tipton along the lines of what is termed "Euro nationalism", the more media-friendly, community-orientated approach used successfully by many European fascist groups in recent years. Far right gains across Europe

There are some problems with this article. Two of them being is it Euronationalism or Euro-nationalism and the fact that assertiveness from the European Union is also called "Euronationalism". However the term is in fairly wide use, although admittedly it seems to date more from the late 1990s than from 2006. JASpencer 12:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)