Talk:Eurecom

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I can barely understand this article. It seems to have been quickly (and poorly) translated from French. The meaning of many of the sentences is unclear. This article needs some serious attention from someone who has a better grasp of English and who can read French well enough to understand the original article. Etphonehome 03:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Clear consensus that the proposed title would run afoul of the WP:MOS. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 03:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eurecom → EURECOM – The official name of the institution is in capital letters. Notice that EURECOM, beyond being the official name of the institution, is an acronym for "EURope, École et COMmunication" and thus it can be capitalized according to the MOS:TM. Bruibro (talk) 09:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, MOS:TM, secondary sources don't capitalize. BBC, NYTimes, French papers [1][2][3][4][5][6] – Thjarkur (talk) 10:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Thjarkur: First sources capitalize. Website of the institution [7], Medium blog [8], research papers taken from the official repository of publications [9]. Other secondary sources capitalize [10][11]. I suspect that secondary sources using Eurecom do not know that the official name is EURECOM. Bruibro (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and possible snowclose per MOS:TM, MOS:OFFICIALNAMES, et al. There's no chance in hell this succeeds. O.N.R. ^(talk) 15:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Old Naval Rooftops: Just to be clear, EURECOM is an acronym for "EURope, École et COMmunication", thus it can be capitalized still respecting the MOS:TM, as it happens for IKEA. Bruibro (talk) 17:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note that IKEA is an acronym for "Ingvar Kamprad Elmtaryd Agunnaryd". Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:18, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and PLEASE snowclose per MOS:TM, etc this is a stylism. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ in the legal notice they use "Eurecom Manager" in running text, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks#Mergers, partnerships, and other combined names says "If in doubt about a modern company, their website's small print, contact page, or legal disclaimers (privacy policy, etc.) may provide the official company name". Logos and at the top of websites often use ALL CAPS, (look no further than our logo which has "WIKIPEDIA" in all caps and The Free Encyclopedia" in title case even though "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" is otherwise used in text so we don't move our article to WIKIPEDIA) but as noted at the guideline these are often just buzzwords rather than being part of the name. In addition I'd note that at the 1st publication of [12] "Eurecom ref" is used on the page which again suggests its just stylism. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Crouch, Swale: In the French legal notice they use EURECOM instead and the name is used capitalized all over the website, also in the contact information in the footer. My guess is that Eurecom is often used instead of EURECOM because people do not pay attention to these details, thus for this reason I hope that the change will be accepted, so that at least Wikipedia can clarify this aspect. As already said, EURECOM is an acronym for "EURope, École et COMmunication" and thus it can be capitalized still respecting the MOS:TM. Bruibro (talk) 22:32, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral per the above. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support An interesting case! Despite everyone's assumptions, including my own initial one, User:Bruibro has demonstrated that this is, in fact, an acronym and therefore can be capitalized according to MOS:TM. It's probably important to note that a number of !votes were made before it was explained and the request was updated to note this is an acronym, which may have been a cause for confusion and should help the closer understand why some of the responses seem contradictory. So we have a few questions:

What is the official name? The proposed title.
Is the proposed name acceptable under the manual of style? Yes.
What do reliable sources use? This one is tricky -- there isn't a boatload of English coverage, but it's split. Some use capitals, some do not. Given that there is not an overwhelmingly clear common name, but both would be acceptable under our manual of style, the logical decision would be to pick the official one.--Yaksar (let's chat) 08:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.