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how about some more information?

when i entered this article, i hoped to find some data on the ethnic composition of Algeria, yet i still have no idea how high percentage Arabs/Berbers/whoever account for in that country. think it would be beneficial to add some statistics --Jaro7788 (talk) 12:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The first Turkish source (which isn't reliable to start with) says: Etnik Özellikler: Cezayir nüfusunun çogunlugunu (% 78) Arap etnik kökeninden gelenlerin teskil ettikleri varsayilmaktadir... Cezayir nüfusunun %22’sini teskil eden Berberiler Kabil, Savi, Mozabit ve Tuareg gibi ait gruplardan olusmaktadir, which basically translates to: Ethnicity: It is assumed that the majority of the Algerian population (78%) consists of people of Arab ethnicity... The Berbers, which make up 22% of Algeria's population, are composed of groups such as Kabyles, Shawis, Mozabits and Tuaregs.
The second Turkish source is ancient. What someone claimed in 1953 (when 10% of the population was European) is neither here nor there. Furthermore, WP:RS contradicting it (describing Algeria's ethnic makeup as "99% Arab-Berber; less than 1 % European") can be cited ad nauseam.
The part that starts with Today's Turkish descendants are often called Kouloughlis is pure nonsense that has been falsely attributed to a couple of cherry picked sentences about the Ottoman era.
1) The Oxford business group is not a reliable source. 2) Even if you consider it reliable, its latest editions (2011,^[1] 2015^[2]) and its website^[3] clearly state that 99% of the population is considered to be of Arab or Berber descent, with the European minority comprising the remaining 1% of inhabitants.
The Sahrawi refugees are not Algerians, they live separately in their refugee camps.

References

^ The Report: Algeria 2011. Oxford Business Group. 2011. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-907065-37-8.
^ Oxford Business Group (12 December 2015). The Report: Algeria 2015. Oxford Business Group. p. 12. ISBN 978-1-910068-47-2. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)
^ "Algeria continues to move ahead into its future". Oxford Business Group. 16 Jan 2017.

M.Bitton (talk) 00:13, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removed cleanup tags

These ref tags were placed as a drive-by seven years ago. As far as I can tell, the lead is adequate, and the article well-referenced. It could definitely use expanding, but does not appear to need cleanup. I'm removing them. -Kieran (talk) 03:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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change “Palestine” to “Israel” when talking about the Jewish population of Algeria. The usage of Palestine here is meant to disregard the existence of Israel, and the source that is cited the quote is “Since 1948, 25,681 Algerian Jews have immigrated to Israel.” Harryberry09 (talk) 23:28, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you, looks like it was missed vandalism introduced in this edit – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

from meditteranean berbers to arabian banu hilal

it would be interesting, if there's any data on it, to learn how many north african berbers actually 'married out' to banu hilal or other arabian tribes, especially since populations there were already familiar with other outside conquest.. 12.146.12.2 (talk) 23:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The two sources showing the arab vs berber ethnicity statistics are totally out of context, the first one showing a book : https://books.google.fr/books?id=AJq5DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT158&redir_esc=y State that most are not ethnically arabs but berber mostly.

"Arab-Berber 99%, European less than 1%

note: although almost all Algerians are Berber in origin (not Arab, only a minority identify themselves as primarily Berber, about 15% of the total"

Second one shows a BBC article talking about arabic speakers and berber speakers too. 2A04:CEC0:C02C:FCC0:304C:4935:D1DF:F3B4 (talk) 15:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Skitash (talk) 16:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the sentence " Ethnic groups in Algeria include Arabs and Berbers, who represent 99% of the population, of which 75–85% are Arab and about 15–25% are Berber.". It is unsourced, and it is not accurate. The source used shows most so at least 51% of Algeria is of berber ethnicity. « although almost all Algerians are Berber in origin (not Arab, only a minority identify themselves as primarily Berber, about 15% of the total population; these people live mostly in the mountainous region of Kabylie east of Algiers and several other communities; » https://books.google.fr/books?id=AJq5DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT158&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false 2A01:E0A:2B:9C40:F8ED:11A8:8EF4:A81D (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the tabloid showing "ethnic group of algeria is 85% Arab and 15% berber". It is unsourced, and it is not accurate. The source used shows most so at least 51% of Algeria is of berber ethnicity. « although almost all Algerians are Berber in origin (not Arab, only a minority identify themselves as primarily Berber, about 15% of the total population; these people live mostly in the mountainous region of Kabylie east of Algiers and several other communities; » https://books.google.fr/books?id=AJq5DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT158&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false 2A01:E0A:2B:9C40:F8ED:11A8:8EF4:A81D (talk) 20:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the cited sources in Ethnic groups in Algeria#Arabs and #Berbers. Skitash (talk) 20:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The Report: Algeria 2011. Oxford Business Group. 2011. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-907065-37-8.

[Group2015-2] Oxford Business Group (12 December 2015). The Report: Algeria 2015. Oxford Business Group. p. 12. ISBN 978-1-910068-47-2. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)

[Oxford_Business_Group_2017-3] "Algeria continues to move ahead into its future". Oxford Business Group. 16 Jan 2017.

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