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I am changing the redirect back to Han Chinese because the current target is the dab page "Chinese people" and both it and the "Han Chinese" page say that "Han Chinese" and "ethnic Chinese" refer to the same concept. Dpv 16:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why was it changed from Overseas Chinese in the first place? Consider the analogy to the page Ethnic German. It seems strange to refer to Chinese within China as "ethnic Chinese" when you could just call them plain old "Chinese." cab 07:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmains, "Ethnic Chinese" is a term used in academic literature and print media to mean "overseas Chinese". It is use primarily to contrast e.g. a Chinese Indonesian with a pribumi Indonesian in Indonesian, not a Chinese national of Han ethnicity with a Chinese national of Hui/Uyghur/Kinh/whatever ethnicity in China. Also, when I cleaned out all the links to this page, most of them were in articles about Chinese outside of China (except the uses in HK articles). Check my edits from yesterday if you want. There are only an underwhelming minority of cases where the person using the term means "Han Chinese", and then mostly they are using it in a POV way to imply that some other national minority with a liberation movement are NOT Chinese. Look at results from academic papers on Google Scholar, where you get 6890 results for "ethnic Chinese". [1]:

with indonesian: 1630 results [2]
with malay: 1390 results [3]
with vietnamese: 1470 results [4]
with thai: 1550 results [5]
with uighur: 110 results [6]

Also as a Wikipedian I find it more than slightly embarassing that the top result for "ethnic Chinese" on regular Google is Han Chinese with an incorrect claim that "ethnic Chinese means Han Chinese", when in nearly 90% of cases, that's not the primary meaning. cab 08:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you say and do not disagree, but I do not see how the result in WP follows from what you say. If 'ethnic Chinese' is not automatically to mean 'Han Chinese', then the 'Ethnic Chinese' article should not be redirect to 'Han Chinese'--this just reinforces the error you rightly object to.

Perhaps the 'ethnic Chinese' article should have real content, explaining its meaning. Also remove from other articles any statements that say 'ethinic Chinese' is equilvalent to 'Han Chinese'. With your obvious knowledge of this subject area, I believe you could do a good job on this. Thanks Hmains 15:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or perhaps 'ethnic Chinese' redirect to 'Zhonghua Minzu' is the way to go. Thanks Hmains 16:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Ethnic Chinese" almost always means people who could pass for Han Chinese. It is often used to refer to overseas Han people.—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 00:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Chinese refers to Manchus. Edipedia 16:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only if they don't stand out as being Manchus. If they speak Chinese (or do you insist on me calling it Han language?) rather than Manchurian, outsiders will probably assume that they are Chinese.—Nat Krause^(Talk!) 16:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Book results

Out of the top 100 results in Google books for "Ethnic Chinese", I can only find FOUR which are NOT using the term to refer to Overseas Chinese. I can only find a single one which uses the term in reference to Chinese in Mainland China.

Modern Chinese: History and Sociolinguistics - Page 1. "It is one of the two official languages in Hong Kong, where ethnic Chinese constitute more than 95 per cent of the local population ..."
Chinese Entrepreneurship and Asian Business Networks - Page xix. "The ethnic Chinese from Hong Kong, Taiwan ..."
Great Perfection: Religion and Ethnicity in a Chinese Millennial Kingdom - Page "China is 95% ethnic Chinese".
Understanding China: Center Stage of the Fourth Power - Page 33. "The Chinese Diaspora (Ethnic Chinese in millions) TaIwan 21.0 Hong Kong 6.0"

I think this is pretty clear evidence that the term is pretty much never used for referring to Han Chinese by those who are best-informed (authors of scholarly books and the fact-checkers/editors at their publishing houses); Wikipedia should follow this usage. So again, I will change this to redirect to Overseas Chinese (the way it was originally). Once Overseas Chinese is unprotected, I'll add the notice at the top of the page: Ethnic Chinese redirects here. For other meanings, see Chinese people. cab 03:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Ethnic Chinese (disambiguatio)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ethnic Chinese (disambiguatio). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. TheAwesome Hwyh 01:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]