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A lot of text just added here came directly from [[1]]. Although that site says that it can be distributed, it also says on the same page that material is copyright and permission must be given. The edits here said "courtesy of emdaa" but it's not clear what that meant. If explicit permission is given by emdaa, please note as such and also according to terms noted on their page, probably also need to have explicit statement about GPL distribution. And then, it would need editing & wikifying. :-) Thanks. Elf | Talk 20:14, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Followup: material reposted with note that it's copied by permission by 24.229.5.50 18:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)EMDAA.com site admin.[reply]

Elf | Talk 19:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

about history .. and category

as the secretary of the EMDAA I/we do give permission for this history to be reproduced on wikipedia. (we put it here .. and yes .. wikifying is a great idea)

Alas, you can't give permission that way, I checked. What has to be done is that you need to remove the copyright from your breed club website and put on the breed club website history page GFDL permission releasing the text for anyone to use, the way photographs are released in the Wikimedia Commons (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GNU_Free_Documentation_License). The alternative is to rewrite the history section of the Wikipedia article, using inline citations from the sources you used to write the breed club history page. Very short quotes are acceptable but not paragraphs and pages. For the official Wikipedia policies read Wikipedia:Copyright violations, Wikipedia:Non-free content, and others.

removed the category 'herding' from this breed, as it is NOT a herding dog. It is a livestock guardian (there seems to be no category for livestock guardian, nor for working dog ... maybe someone will create it .. or take the page for livestock guarding and make it a category.

~tracey conner

Hmm (reverts)

Not sure why there is objection to the actual name of the dog, the New Zealand registration, or additional information, or inline references, but I assume this is one of those instances in which the reverter believes that only US-based information is of interest to Wikipedians around the world. --Hafwyn (talk) 13:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re: reverts

who are you? there are like 2 EMDs in all of NZ (1 is neutered) ... the breed is Portuguese, and that's the information that is important. If the NZ breed standard is listed, then we'd have to list the breed standard for every single country ... i can see having the US, UK, and FCI standard .. as those are what's globally used.

I also see no value add in adding the silly stuff from the huge italian 'list' of 'dangerous' dogs ... the list is so huge, and all it does it makes this breed look bad. as i recall there were even dogs like keeshonds on the italian list.

some of the information posted just didn't 'seem' right .. asin .. nickname of 'star mountain dog' .. i know of NO ONE that calls the Estrela a 'star mountain dog' ...

what is your experience with the EMD .. who are you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Traceywashere (talk • contribs) 15:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tracy was here -- not every standard has to be listed, but the template you are using has spaces for links to the standards of the major national kennel clubs in the English-speaking world--the KC, the NZKC, The Australian Kennel Council, the Canadian Kennel Club, the AKC, and also the UKC; one national KC per country, except the United States where the United Kennel Club is also considered important. That does not mean home-town kcs or any of the million puppy mill registries have to be listed! But if a major kc recognises the breed, that should be in the template. Also, the the dog is from Portugal, and the Portugese wrote the standard used by the FCI, and the Portugese call their breed Cão da Serra da Estrela. And yes, while investigating something else I ran across a woman who told me she bred pure Star Mountains dogs from Portugal (they weren't.) Puppy millers and commercial breeders take the name of a real breed and make up their own translation or version of it, "register" their dogs with one of the registries that does very little or no checking, and then sell their puppies as a valuable registered "authentic rare breed". Using the original name and the FCI number on the article makes it clear that the Estrela Mountain Dog version of the name is the same dog as the Cão da Serra da Estrela. Also there are other legitimate translations, here's an article where it is written "Serra da Estrela dog". The FCI website translates it (bizarrely, I think) as Serra da estrela Mountain Dog. You do need to cite more sources and supply inline citations, they don't have to be mine.

The fight against that Italian breed list is no joke for a lot of people. But I guess it doesn't apply to where you are. The other items merely seemed interesting to me, not to you, so it goes in Wikipedia (although I think Manuel Fernandes Marques should get more credit for his work on native breeds than he does.) Wonderful dogs. I love them.--Hafwyn (talk) 22:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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EMD History, copyright

Yes, I represent the club (secretary) that wrote the history of the EMD for the club website. We have since removed any semblance of copyright ownership (it was poached anyway) and in the interest of having the most complete information published on wikipedia on this breed, we completely removed the copyright statement.

So, not sure what the issue is any more.

this page http://emdaa.com/breed-history states no copyright.

Regardless, I am following instructions to grant sharing ....

{{Ticket confirmation|source=http://emdaa.com/breed-history|id=2011051710014067}}

Thanks for following the procedures, and sorry that there's red tape involved. I'm sure you understand that we have to be careful regarding copyrighted information. Miyagawa (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]