Talk:Erotica (song)/GA1

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

On the very last day of the month this was nominated, I'm beginning the review! --K. Peake 08:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Why is instrumental not capitalized here when it is in the track listing?
The genres are listed in the body as dance and pop hip hop; fix this here for consistency
Identify as her fifth studio album of the same name - What do you mean? the phrase is piped to the album
"but after it was leaked and" → "but after being leaked and"
"It was then included on" → "The song was included on" and move this to the second para before the covers and parodies - I think it's more appropriate to leave it where it's at, following the single's release, but if you think it's necessary to move it, just let me know where specifically 😅 do you mean after the sentences that mentions the performances before the covers?

Compilation albums are more related to legacy than release info, so it should be in those sentences before the covers. --K. Peake 19:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

""Erotica" continued Madonna's" → "The song continued Madonna's"
Are you sure the release year of "Justify My Love" should be in the lead?
Pipe S&M to Sadomasochism
"it is now considered one" → "the song is now considered one"
"at number 13 on the" → "at number 13 on the US"
"It also saw success" → "The song also saw success" however, this particular chart is not mentioned by name in the body
""Erotica" was also successful overseas, peaking in the Top 10" → "Overseas, the song was also successful, peaking in the top 10"
The list of top 10 countries is too long; cut down by a few
Remove "for the song" after accompanying music video
Remove fashion photographer introduction since that being in the body is sufficient
"it counts with appearances by" → "it is combined with appearances by"
Pipe 10pm watershed to Watershed (broadcasting)
"It's also been covered and" → "It has also been covered and" and mention any notable ones this includes

Done

Background and development

"performs "Erotica" as the" → "performing "Erotica" as the" on the img text, also this is missing a full-stop at the end and mention the four different versions in the text
Remove overly obvious wikilink on New York City
Wikilink lead single
"it took on a "different, darker vibe"." → "a "different, darker vibe" was taken on."
Mention around this point that there were four different versions
Pipe alter-ego to Alter ego
Remove the producer recalled part and end the sentence at the question mark since you have already introduced this as being a quote
"Pettibone realized the song" → "Pettibone then realized the song"
[5] should be at the end of the penultimate sentence too per the usage of quotations

Done

Composition and release

Retitle to Composition and lyrics like I will further explain below−
"additional lyrics by Anthony Shimkin." → "additional lyrics by Shimkin."
Pipe spoken-word to Spoken word
End the first sample sentence at the former sample part to avoid a run-on and invoke [10] at the end of it
"the latter caused controversy" → "The Fairuz sample caused controversy"
"claimed her vocals had" → "stated her vocals had" or something similar, per WP:CLAIM
Audio sample looks good!
[14] should be solely at the end of the sentence, also move [15] to there instead - Care to elaborate?
Pipe trip-hop to Trip hop
"loops", and Middle Eastern" → "loops" and Middle Eastern"
Wikilink sheet music
Pipe record player to Phonograph
"forty seconds in, the" → "40 seconds in, the" per MOS:NUM
The beginning phrase is not sourced -
"and inviting him to" → "and suggesting him to" to be less repetitive
"suggestive lyrics such as," → "suggestive lyrics, such as,"
""shimmering horn riffs"." → ""shimmying horn riff[s]"." per the source
Move the last para of this section to the below one
[23][24][25][26][27][28] is too many refs together; move to different areas of the sentence to resolve this
Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine)
Pipe Warner Bros to Warner Records
"played the song once but" → "played the song once, but"
"on September 26 and 27 on" → "on September 26 and 27, 1992, via"
"released in the United States" → "released in the US" per MOS:US
Remove the comma after compilation albums and why is this piped to greatest hits when it is linked to compilation album in the lead?

Done

Critical reception

Retitle to Release and reception, moving the last para of the previous section to be the first here
Img looks good!
Make sure the reviews are ordered thematically
Wikilink Larry Flick
"and highlighted its" → "and highlighted the"
The Stephen Thomas Erlewine quote is about the album of the same name, so remove or replace
"which got its" → "which gathered its"
"not a sexual partner." is missing the end speech mark
"was Madonna's sexual reality"." → "was Madonna's sexual reality."" if this is a full sentence, per MOS:QUOTE
"that's "as distantly" → "that is "as distantly"
"considered it one of" → "considered the song one of"
"dismissed it for" → "dismissed the song for" - I Already mention "the track" in the previous sentence; it would look redundant
"the single didn't offered" → "the single did not offered"
"said it was among" → "said the song was among"
"Madonna's 8th best," → "Madonna's eighth best,"
"Morgan Troper, writing for Portland Mercury," → "Morgan Troper, for Portland Mercury,"
Shouldn't Boston.com be italicised?
Mention the ranking from The Tab and place it before NME for this reason too
"considered "Erotic", the version included on Sex," → "considered the Sex version of "Erotic""

Done

Commercial performance

The fifth place tie part is not consistent with what you have written in prose; please revise - Care to elaborate? The source [53] 1995 Billboard article mentions this tie
"debuted at number 13 on the" → "debuted at number 13 on the US"
"By October 31," → "By October 31, 1992," -1992 is already mentioned in the opening sentence; I think it's redundant to mention it again
Per MOS:NUM, should it be top 3 or top three?
"entering at number two." → "having entered at number two."
"on October 17, and, two weeks later," → "on October 17, 1992, and, 2 weeks later," per rules on comparative values
"sold in the United Kingdom" → "sold in the UK"
"eventually peaking at 4 and lasting eleven weeks" → "eventually peaking at number 4 and lasting 11 weeks"
"Gold for shipments of over 35,000 copies." → "gold for shipments of over 35,000 copies in Australia."
"In New Zealand the song" → "In New Zealand, the song"
"it reached the top 3" → "it reached the top three"
"It was less successful in" → "The song was less successful in"
"at number 15 and 23," → "at numbers 15 and 23,"
"chart, and the" → "chart and the"

Done

Music video

Background and banning

Wouldn't something like broadcasting work better than banning in the title?
Imgs look good!
Pipe commercial single to Video single per MOS:LINK2SECT
"she visualized the video" → "she visualized the clip" to avoid overusage of video
Pipe gold tooth to Gold teeth
The topless and BDSM parts are not sourced
"Isabella Rossellini, all make" → "Isabella Rossellini all make" however, the source mentions them for the book not the video
Pipe Gaiety Theatre to Gaiety Theatre (male burlesque)
"a " mercifully short" lecture" → "a "mercifully short" lecture"
"in its entirety days or evenings," → "in its entirety during days or evenings,"
"and were not not appropriate for" → "lacking appropriateness for"
"found it to be" → "found the clip to be"
"On October 19," → "On October 19, 1992,"

Done

Reception and analysis

Img looks good, even if a bit explicit!
Is [94] really the correct ref for the Rolling Stone review? - Yes. Source mentions the RS commentary
"stop being interesting?"." → "stop being interesting?"" per MOS:QUOTE on other grammar than full-stops ending sentences
"asked "Haven’t we" → "asked, "Haven't we"
"and gave it a" → "and gave the clip a"
Why is her in [] when the original source provides the word?
"On more positive reviews," → "In a more positive review,"
"have been more positive;" → "have been similarly positive;" to be less repetitive
"The Backlot's Louis Virtel and Idolator's Mike Nied both considered" → "Virtel and Idolator's Mike Nied both considered"
"according to the latter, it" → "according to the latter, the visual"
Is Sal Cinquemani of Billboard the same as the Slant Magazine one? If so, only use his surname after the publication.
"trade print (music) and consumer print" → "trade print (music), and consumer print" however, this is three categories unless you forgot to list one?
"also included on VH1s" → "also included on VH1's"
[97] should only be invoked once at the end of each sentence
"kisses and gropes models Naomi Campbell and Isabella Rossellini," → "kisses and gropes Campbell and Rossellini,"
"visibility and success" couldn't you end the quote here since the went on part is basically indicating at a conclusion anyway?

Done

Live performances

Img looks good!
"Confessions (2006) and" → "Confessions (2006), and"
"as opening number: It began with" → "as an opening number, beginning with"
Wikilink as dancer
Pipe sliding down a pole to Pole dance
Pipe hot pants to Hotpants
""Things got racy as" → ""things got racy as"
"from Hürriyet Daily News" → "from the Hürriyet Daily News"

Done

Parodies, covers and usage in media

Retitle to Other versions and usage in media
Pipe The Edge to The Edge (TV series)
Pipe parodied to Medusa: Dare to Be Truthful
"and did a spoof the" → "and did a spoof of the"
[119] should solely be invoked at the end of the sentence - Care to elaborate?
"for $5-profits which" → "for $5-profits, which"
Mention that the covers by the separate acts were included respectively on those two albums
"and The Sunset Lounge." → "and the Sunset Lounge." per MOS:THEMUSIC, also per WP:SONGCOVER is this version really notable?

Done

Track listing and formats

Shouldn't the appropriate refs be invoked after each track listing?

Credits and personnel

Good

Charts

Weekly charts

Pipe IFPI to IFPI Danmark for the Denmark chart
Pipe IFPI to Musiikkituottajat for the Finland chart

Done

Year-end charts

Good

Certifications and sales

Good

References

Copyvio score looks decent at 38.3%
Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
Author-link Larry Flick on ref 12
Remove staff from ref 18 because this is not a real author
Ref 36 is a duplicate of ref 29
Ref 46 is a duplicate of ref 16
Wikilink Music & Media on ref 72 instead of ref 82
WP:OVERLINK of Music Week on ref 74
Ref 86 should cite the last name followed by first for consistency
Ref 101's archive is not working and I'm not sure if that channel is where the current one is supposed to redirect to
WP:OVERLINK of Idolator on ref 102
WP:OVERLINK of VH1 on ref 105
Pipe Warner Home Video to Warner Bros. Home Entertainment on ref 109
Wikilink Los Angeles Times on ref 111
Wikilink The Independent on ref 126

Bibliography

Pipe Watkins Publishing to Watkins Books
Pipe Praeger to Greenwood Publishing Group

Done

External links

Good

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this took about as long as I thought! --K. Peake 19:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm almost done; will get to the final corrections (sources) tomorrow or throughout the week. I just have some comments I've left that I hope you can clarify for me @Kyle Peake:--Christian (talk) 21:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chrishm21 Thank you for addressing most of my issues and I look forward to seeing the remainder of your response soon; I will leave my clarifications as follows. The fifth studio album intro in the lead is missing the word name after same, no refs should be invoked more than once in the same sentence to avoid WP:OVERCITE, the dismissed part reads repetitively since you have used it on the most recent occasion, my problem with the img text is that it is not written out in prose and the previous sentence does not mention 1992 so you should add the year after October 31. --K. Peake 07:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Like so? @Kyle Peake:--Christian (talk) 12:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "fifth place" part is still not written out in prose and the dismissed part still overuses "it". --K. Peake 13:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: I fixed the 'dismissed' bit (i think); also could you elaborate more on the prose subject? I'm not a native english speaker, so I'm not fully understanding 😅🙊--Christian (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chrism21 Written out in prose means the text of the article itself not solely on the image and yes, the dismissed part is fine now. --K. Peake 07:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: like so?--Christian (talk) 12:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No; the fifth place tie is not written out still... K. Peake 07:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think I finally got it @Kyle Peake:--Christian (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chrishm21 That is fine now; let's see you move on to fix the rest of the article! --K. Peake 07:46, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kyle Peake: care to point out the points I've missed?--Christian (talk) 12:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chrishm21 You have not wikilinked Music & Media on the first occasion instead of any later ones nor piped Warner Home Video to the appropriate Wiki. --K. Peake 16:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done @Kyle Peake:--Christian (talk) 20:37, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass now, nice job once again! --K. Peake 21:05, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]